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Just how fat are we?
Townhall.com ^ | May 19, 2005 | Larry Elder (archive)

Posted on 05/19/2005 5:11:34 AM PDT by .cnI redruM

Oops, make that 25,814 -- not 400,000.

In March 2004, the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) said 400,000 Americans die each year due to obesity-related problems. But wait. Citing flawed data, four months ago the CDC revised the number down to 365,000. But now, another branch of the CDC says the first branch -- the CDC's Division of Adult and Community Health -- got it wrong. The CDC's National Center for Health Statistics says, no, the real figure is 111,909. And after you deduct the beneficial effects of being moderately overweight, the figure declines to 25,814!

So is the CDC going to recognize the new number? Of course not. CDC director Julie Gerberding (who co-wrote last year's 400,000-deaths-per-year report) says the organization won't use the new number because of uncertain methodology, and called for more research. Does the CDC intend to scale back its fight against the "epidemic" of obesity, given the much smaller, new number? Gerberding says no, because, "There's absolutely no question that obesity is a major public health concern of this country."

Whatever the correct figure, expect the government's attack on "the obese" to continue. Like cigarette smokers, overeaters now serve as a pinata from which they can extract taxes. It is not just that people think cigarette smokers and overeaters engage in unhealthful behavior. Many consider smokers and overeaters guilty of moral failure. So tax 'em!

The mayor of Detroit, for example, recommends a fast-food tax. "Fat tax" supporters argue that, as with cigarette taxes, higher prices may encourage more healthful behavior.

A recent caller to my radio program, Linda, supports the tax.

Linda: I'm hoping this tax will motivate people, get them to do their own cooking.

Larry: Why?

Linda: There are too many fat people -- they're all going to fast-food places. . . . I'm so glad they're doing this. . . . Because they're fat, fat, fat. They're eating the wrong food. Stay home, do your own good cooking.

Larry: Do you engage in any kind of conduct that other people might condemn, Linda? Do you drink?

Linda: No . . .

Larry: Do you watch TV?

Linda: Yes, and I watch those terrible commercials from fast-food places, and I get angry. They should tax those commercials, too.

Larry: Maybe they ought to tax you for watching so much television. Why don't you get up and exercise more?

Linda: People have no restraint. They need to be restrained.

Larry: You think the job of the legislature is to restrain them by taxing their behavior?

Linda: They're fat. They're unhealthy, they have diabetes, they have high blood pressure, and they're at the fast-food place -- and their children watch them, and then the children go there, too. It's a disgrace! Cook, cook, cook.

Larry: What do you do when they cook junk . . . when they cook fried foods?

Linda: No, no. They have to cook healthy food.

Larry: How are you going to ensure that? This tax makes the price go up, and more people are cooking at home. How do you guarantee they won't cook the same crap they went out to buy before?

Linda: If we have enough talk about healthy food, someday people will realize they have to cook healthy foods.

Larry: Why don't you contribute to a fund for television Public Service Announcements, advising people what they should do? Why are you going to legislators to tax other people's behavior that you don't like? Unbelievable.

Linda: Why are the Oriental people and European people much healthier than the American people? The American people are obese! . . . I'm horrified by how many obese people there are.

Larry: What about Asians who are here? . . . Are they overweight?

Linda: Not as much as American people.

Larry: Well, how do you suppose they manage not to walk into a restaurant and get fat? And whatever they're doing, why can't everybody else do it, too?

Linda: That food is bad. Your mother can tell you that.

Larry: Should we tax people who order fried chicken at restaurants?

Linda: Why, that's bad, too! Yes, yes, all that bad food should be stopped. . . .

Larry: So tax hikes for health are OK.

Linda: Something has to be done. It's a start.

Larry: Why are you concerned about how fat people are?

Linda: People end up in the hospital, and we're paying for their health problems. Not only that, but even to look at them! They're disgusting to look at! Every time I come back from the store or walk around, I come back furious, seeing how fat they are!

Larry: I bet if you see a fat person smoking a cigarette, you're ready to have a heart attack, aren't you?

Linda: No, cigarettes don't bother me. I'm not a smoker, but it doesn't bother me as much as looking at an obese person. I mean, don't they have mirrors? Don't they look in the mirror and go, "Oh my God, I have to do something about this weight"?

Look on the bright side. Linda isn't in Congress . . . yet.


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>>>>Linda: People have no restraint. They need to be restrained.

This woman should be the first one they lasso with a lariat and string up in public.

1 posted on 05/19/2005 5:11:35 AM PDT by .cnI redruM
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To: .cnI redruM
So is the CDC going to recognize the new number? Of course not. CDC director Julie Gerberding (who co-wrote last year's 400,000-deaths-per-year report) says the organization won't use the new number because of uncertain methodology, and called for more research. Does the CDC intend to scale back its fight against the "epidemic" of obesity, given the much smaller, new number? Gerberding says no, because, "There's absolutely no question that obesity is a major public health concern of this country."

Yes, to the MSM and apparently to the CDC, it's the seriousness of the charge that matters, not how true or false it might be.

I might add that it appears to me to also be a function of how convenient the charge is for the group making it.

2 posted on 05/19/2005 5:20:19 AM PDT by snowsislander
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>>>>Julie Gerberding (who co-wrote last year's 400,000-deaths-per-year report) says the organization won't use the new number because of uncertain methodology, and called for more research.

They always need more research. It's the canned answer they give anytime they get called on their BS!
3 posted on 05/19/2005 5:23:49 AM PDT by .cnI redruM (M. Moore + MoveOn.org = MooreOn.Org)
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To: .cnI redruM
In March 2004, the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) said 400,000 Americans die each year due to obesity-related problems.

I almost choked on my triple cheeseburger reading that, who so I sue? lol
4 posted on 05/19/2005 5:25:52 AM PDT by TheForceOfOne (My tagline is currently being blocked by Congressional filibuster for being to harsh.)
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To: snowsislander

We have the same problem with our local Public Health czar here in Maine...and I emphasize CZAR.

Dora Mills.

The Public Health sector has many suckers who want power.


5 posted on 05/19/2005 5:26:43 AM PDT by mlmr (The Culture of Death will get a lot more deadly before it's done.)
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To: .cnI redruM
Whatever the correct figure, expect the government's attack on "the obese" to continue. Like cigarette smokers, overeaters now serve as a pinata from which they can extract taxes.

Slam dunk statement.

And they absolutely will not stop using the overinflated numbers, just like instead of using correct numbers they keep inflating the already overinflated number of "smoking related" deaths.

It would not surprise me if the obese numbers were determined in the same manner as CDC uses for smoking - no real people just numbers popped into a computer program called SAMMEC.

6 posted on 05/19/2005 5:27:19 AM PDT by Gabz (My give-a-damn is busted.)
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To: .cnI redruM
Where does one begin to address a complete and utter moron such as Linda Bimbo?

If breathing wasn't controlled automatically when one was unconcious, this moron would suffocate when she fell asleep.

7 posted on 05/19/2005 5:27:53 AM PDT by G.Mason ( Save the Republic from the shallow, demagogic sectarians.)
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To: TheForceOfOne
It's enough to make you lose a pickle!

Sue everyone! Throw enough baby food all over the wall, and eventually some of it will stick.
8 posted on 05/19/2005 5:30:14 AM PDT by .cnI redruM (M. Moore + MoveOn.org = MooreOn.Org)
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To: .cnI redruM
I'm not fat!!

I'm just big-boned...
9 posted on 05/19/2005 5:30:15 AM PDT by LIConFem (Mein Luftkissenboot ist mit Aalen voll.)
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To: .cnI redruM

Well, despite Linda's doofiness, Americans are way too fat. And yes, people who engage in healthier lifestyles have to foot the bill to a certain extent.

I've never understood why so many conservatives feel the need to defend fat fatties.


10 posted on 05/19/2005 5:30:24 AM PDT by 12B
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To: G.Mason

Snicker, snicker...LOL!


11 posted on 05/19/2005 5:31:54 AM PDT by spectre (Spectre's wife)
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To: Gabz
"smoking related" deaths. -- That's the problem right there. Once the semantic sleight of hand "smoking related" got inserted, we stopped accurately measuring the number of people who died directly from smoking. The race to hype the risk and then tax was underway.
13 posted on 05/19/2005 5:40:50 AM PDT by .cnI redruM (M. Moore + MoveOn.org = MooreOn.Org)
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To: .cnI redruM

Mama Linda. One of Hillary's adoring Nanny State fans, I presume.


14 posted on 05/19/2005 5:42:34 AM PDT by arasina (So there.)
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To: Tarheel1
>>>>We are way too fat.

Maybe so, but will taxing somebody really solve it. No. As soon as this tax becomes an important revenue source, our 'leadership' will find ways to make us even lardier. Once there is a positive correlation between the size of the Coors gut and the size of the revenue pile, fatness will be made almost mandatory.
15 posted on 05/19/2005 5:42:42 AM PDT by .cnI redruM (M. Moore + MoveOn.org = MooreOn.Org)
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To: .cnI redruM

Looking around here, there are a tremendous number of overweight people. But, this is totally ridiculus. More taxes and laws have never helped anyone except the fat politicians and the ever expanding government. This woman is a nutcase.


16 posted on 05/19/2005 5:42:44 AM PDT by WV Mountain Mama (Behind every successful man is a woman rolling her eyes.)
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To: arasina
No doubt. A soccer mom who never got made to run gassers up and down the pitch a day in her life.
17 posted on 05/19/2005 5:43:32 AM PDT by .cnI redruM (M. Moore + MoveOn.org = MooreOn.Org)
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To: .cnI redruM
No, no. They have to cook healthy food.

Hey, Linda. I have a new fashion for you to try. The blouse is brown, with an arm band on the left arm. The arm band has this really chic "broken cross" insignia on it. It's the latest thing, and all the Democrats are wearing them. I think it will fit your style very well.

19 posted on 05/19/2005 5:43:48 AM PDT by Hardastarboard
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To: .cnI redruM

Just wait until they add the other catch-phrase "premature death" to the "obesity" numbers.

An interesting side note on this whole "obesity epidemic" situation is that if you look at the names of those involved, especially those pushing for increased taxes you will find a striking similarity in the list of names going after smokers.

There is no such thing as coincidence when it comes to tax and spenders...........


20 posted on 05/19/2005 5:45:07 AM PDT by Gabz (My give-a-damn is busted.)
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