Predators & Pornography. A disturbing link.

NRO ^ | May 19, 2005, 8:15 a.m. | By Penny Nance

[King Prout]

hrmn?

I know DC, so that abuse caught my eye.

if you see similarly grotesque attacks, well... your keyboard evidently functions.

[JeffAtlanta]

I assume you want your daughter whoring on the tv. At least you're consistent.

Now answer my questions. According to your logic, if you believe that a certain profession should be legal then to be consistent, you must also be thrilled about a family member entering that profession.

Now again - would you or would you not want your husband to work on Alaskan fishing boats or be a garbage man? If you say you would prefer that they didn't, by your logic, those professions are not good for society and should be made illegal.

[frogjerk]

Please: NO profanity, NO personal attacks, NO racism or violence in posts. get it? got it? good.

You might want to tell some of the folks on your side of the argument the same thing...

Could it be that the pro-porn crowd just proved the argument that bad behavior can lead to more bad behavior? ;)

[MarkL]

Not sure who you're quoting there, but it ain't me, friend.

Oops, sorry, that was from post 170, and it was referring to a specific statement made by gregwest

Mark

[ctlpdad]

Wow, if you think prick is profanity, I hope you never read Snow White to your kids.

[cyborg]

LOL!!!! No you sound like a member of ACLU...go look at the bible verses inscribed on our national monuments and tell me that christian morality isn't the province of government. YOU want porn in your marriage? Fine. I hope you aren't anti-abortion and anti-homosexuality either. All of which are tied to the porn industry.

[XR7]

I dont get your point???

Sorry.
I forgot to add the >sarcasm< tag.

[cyborg]

I will NOT make a moral equivalency to fishing with PORN. Go head have your family destroying, abortion causing porn.

[stuck_in_new_orleans]

No, porn is not the root of evil when it comes to sexual predators and assault. Rape and sexual crimes have been occuring since begining of time.

[JeffAtlanta]

go look at the bible verses inscribed on our national monuments and tell me that christian morality isn't the province of government.

This is why people feel that the theocon wing of the GOP wants to turn the US into a theocracy.

[CWW]

But my libertarian friends tell me that pornography does not hurt anyone!!?

The big lie is that pornography does not harm. It harms the participants and it harms the user by shaping the way they view their fellow human beings -- as objects to use for satisfaction.

Clearly, the objectification of women (and men) has seriously harmed the moral fiber of our society.

Ted Bundy said it best when he was interviewed by Dr. James Dobson just before his execution when he told Dr. Dobson that pornography was the one factor the most greatly contributed to his downfall.

[Antoninus]

I think a lot of people on this thread need to take this test. BTW, it's from a scholarly/academic organization, not some evil, "taliban-eque" religious website:

Am I a Sex Addict?

Cyber Sex Addiction Checklist

The Cyber Sex Addiction Checklist is a set of questions to help you see your sexual activity more clearly. It is an assessment of sexually compulsive or addictive behavior. A high number of YES answers may be a sign of some issues with sex addiction. After using this questionnaire, please consult a trained professional to discuss these issues further.

1. Spending increasing amounts of online time focused on sexual or romantic intrigue or involvement.
2. Involvement in multiple romantic or sexual affairs in chat rooms, Internet or BBS.
3. Not considering online sexual or romantic "affairs" to be a possible violation of spousal/partnership commitments.
4. Failed attempts to cut back on frequency of online or Internet sexual and romantic involvement or interaction.
5. Online use interferes with work (tired or late due to previous night's use, online while at work, etc.).
6. Online use interferes with primary relationships (e.g., minimizing or lying to partners about online activities, spending less time with family or partners).
7. Intense engagement in collecting Internet pornography.
8. Engaging in fantasy online acts or experiences which would be illegal if carried out (e.g., rape, child molestation).
9. Decreased social or family interactive time due to online fantasy involvements.
10. Being secretive or lying about amount of time spent online or type of sexual/romantic fantasy activities carried out online.
11. Engaging with sexual or romantic partners met online, while also involved in marital or other primary relationship.
12. Increasing complaints and concern from family or friends about the amount of time spent online.
13. Frequently becoming angry or extremely irritable when asked to give up online involvement to engage with partners, family or friends.
14. Primary focus of sexual or romantic life becomes increasingly related to computer activity (including pornographic CD-ROM use).

This test is used with permission from its author, Rob Weiss, M.A.

[JeffAtlanta]

I will NOT make a moral equivalency to fishing with PORN.

So you won't answer my question. You pestered me throughout this thread to answer yours but you won't answer mine.

Again, by your logic, if a person doesn't want an industry banned then to be consistent, that person would have to be happy to have one of their family members work in that industry.

Hopefully, this will illustrate to you how flawed your logic is and you won't use it again.

[UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide]

Find me a gynecologist who is also a porn addict. Being a gyno has the exact opposite effect from everything I've heard...

If I were a gynecologist, what else would I tell you?!

Current Communist Goals, ca. 1964

24. Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them "censorship" and a violation of free speech and free press.

25. Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio, and TV.

26. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as "normal, natural, healthy."

At least they're not in the top ten :-)

[ctlpdad]

Jeff,

People have been having this battle for eons. The printing press was a "tool of the devil" because for quite some time, it was used primarily for the production of "porn" of the time.

There are quite a few like minded people who wanted to ban the internet because it was and still is primarily used for porn.

As much as these people want to make it go away, it won't, right or wrong.

[AppyPappy]

If you are not one of the posters that believes that access to pornography encourages people to be sexual predators then I apologize.

Here's the gist of the argument. Porn influences people's behaviors. That is why almost all sexual predators say they act out things they see in porn. Porn does not CAUSE sexual crimes. Porn is an INFLUENCE in sexual crimes.

An example: Russian kiddie porn is big now. So the porn industry is encouraging people to raid orphanages and get girls to join the porn industry. I know a girl adopted from a Russian orphanage and several of her friends have disappeared into the industry. The porn industry is driving that criminal behavior.

Another example: date rape pics. You drug a girl, take pics/videos of her in various stages of undress and they get added to porn sites. We had several cases here at the college where this happened. The perpertrators say they got this idea from ..TADA.. porn sites.

[Antoninus]

if you see similarly grotesque attacks, well... your keyboard evidently functions.

I have a habit of not pushing the abuse button. However, some of these posts really do reflect badly on FR, so maybe I will...

[XR7]

Rape and sexual crimes have been occuring since the beginning of time.

Yawn.
You need to change your online name from stuck_in_new_orleans to head_stuck_in_the_sand.

[King Prout]

cyborg,

we know each other, correct?
I mean, as well as people can know each other via internet msgbrds alone, yes?

I believe you are a good person.
I am fairly sure you believe I am a good person.
I disagree with you, to some extent, on your judgement of pornography.

I don't see this as a reason for harsh words between us, or between either of us and anyone else who similarly disagree.

[JeffAtlanta]

The big lie is that pornography does not harm. It harms the participants and it harms the user by shaping the way they view their fellow human beings -- as objects to use for satisfaction.

You could say that about anything. A person could just as easily make the case that being a member of a fundamentalist church is harmful.

BTW, I've been a member of fundamentalist church and I've seen the damage that they can cause to the emotionally fragile.