Predators & Pornography. A disturbing link.

NRO ^ | May 19, 2005, 8:15 a.m. | By Penny Nance

[UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide]

I'm in favor of putting the line back to where it was in 1957.

You can only do that if most people still believed what they did in 1957 and if the outlets were as limited and controllable as in 1957, three channels instead of three hundred, no VCRs, no DVDs, no internet...

Prohibition did not fail only because of the demand for booze. It failed also because almost anybody could make alcohol in a bathtub.

[ctlpdad]

You had my post aborted. Weak. Well, at least you understood my point and proved it further.

[Durus]

Are you saying that this Nation and its Laws are not founded on the belief in God and the rights that flow from Him?

Yes I would say that explicitly.

[XR7]

You know what I'm talking about. A battered self-image, devastated marriages, disillusioned children, and emotional heartache are the ultimate rewards in this evil indulgence.

You nailed it buddy!
See #232 above.

[frogjerk]

Are you saying that this Nation and its Laws are not founded on the belief in God and the rights that flow from Him?

Yes I would say that explicitly.

Well, you would be explicitly wrong.

[Durus]

No I wouldn't.

[frogjerk]

Yes, you would.

[frogjerk]

America would not exist if it weren't for religion and belief in God. Think Mayflower.

[XR7]

Children were sexually assaulting other children long before porn became popular.

BS
Never in our free republic's history has it been like today.
You are either extremely naive, a fool, or a purposeful flamethrower.

[freebilly]

Hmmm..., you must have missed this part in the Declaration of Independence:

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."

Yeah..., obviously they weren't acknowledging God as the source of our rights ....< / sarc >

[jjmcgo]

The Jesuits are already getting their comeuppance from this Pope but they will outlive him. See how he canned their American magazine editor.
As to your cafeteria Christian charge: Based on what you say, (based on what Jesus said in the Sermon on the Mount, no Christian could fight to defend his country.
I'm not the world's greatest theologian but I would have to say that of all the advice Jesus gave, all the rules he laid down, this one that you chose is probably the most ignored of all.

[N. Beaujon]

But watch out. The Porn lovers will defend it to the death. Porn is the most sacred institution in the First Amendment.

No it isn't. Political speech is the most protected. Porn is way down on the list and obscenity isn't protected by the first amendment (Read Roth v. US and Miller v. California.)

[bigLusr]

If a guy drinks a ton of beer, gets drunk and drives home, gets involved in a wreck, are you going to say the beer and the wreck are merely coincidental because he drank water at some time as well?

There's a huge difference.

We can prove a causal relationship between alcohol and poor driving. You take a large group of people and randomly divide them into two groups. Give half of them three beers and the other half three non-alcoholic bev's that taste and smell like beer and let them drive around a track... or drive a simulated car... or use some measure of reflex time and vision. Then look at the results. If the results of the two groups are significantly different, then you've proven a causal relationship. This study (and others like it) has been performed over and over again. There is no longer any doubt that alcohol intake is a cause, not a side effect of, poor driving ability. Nor is there any lingering question that perhaps poor driving ability and alcohol intake both have the same root cause.

As far as I know we've done no similar study with porn... and the "evidence" that porn causes violence presented here would be wholly rejected by anyone with even one semester of college-level statistics.

It could be that doing * and enjoying it tends to cause people to want to relive the moment by watching other people *. Or... it could be that your love of * causes you to both watch other people * and to * yourself. Or it could be that a person believes that most people who do * like to watch * and feels pressure (real or imagined) to watch * by others who like to *.

Or, yes. It's possible that watching * encourages people to actually do * when otherwise they might not have. They're all possibilities. And until proper studies are done, assuming a causal relationship is unfounded.

Replace "*" with whatever you like. Performing music, playing sports, gambling, playing chess... or the obscene (if you prefer).

Say it with me once. Correlation does not imply causation.

[Durus]

Show me how biblical law was incorporated into our Constitution. Demonstrate that the bible calls for a constitutional republic to be formed. Explain, if you will, how the declaration of indepence, penned by a Deist, is founded on Christian principles.

Our nation was founded as a bastion of freedom for all religions and creeds. There were many good Christian people who participated in the founding of our country and the overwhelming majority in fact were Christian of one type or another. The fact remains that they created a secular state based on reason.

[XR7]

No I wouldn't!

Yes you would!

No I wouldn't!

Yes you would!

[UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide]

LOL!!!! No you sound like a member of ACLU...go look at the bible verses inscribed on our national monuments and tell me that christian morality isn't the province of government.

Actually, you sound like a member of the ACLU. I don't view those things as imposing Christianity on anyone. If you think they do or that they imply that government should, then maybe the ACLU is right, in your view?

YOU want porn in your marriage?

Not everyone is married (or predating).

Fine. I hope you aren't anti-abortion and anti-homosexuality either. All of which are tied to the porn industry.

Without porn there would be no (or significantly less) abortion and homosexuality? In your mind.

[Durus]

Thank you for your gratuitous meaningless post with a picture of a sex offender. You have raised the bar of this discussion.

[SunnySide]

"Rational argument hurts"

Porn perpetuating homicidal predators and pedophiles with the result of turning out dead little innocent girls is never rational.


Forever,

Anti-Garbage and

Victims rights advocate

[XR7]

You have raised the bar of this discussion.

By quoting you.

[Modernman]

I know it. Some wives also share their husband's addiction to alcohol.

False dichotomy. A more accurate analogy would be that some/many wives enjoy a cold beer on a hot day as much as their husbands do. Porn falls into the same category. People (both male and female) can enjoy porn, alcohol and other vices without becoming addicted.