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Atheists say it's time to 'push back' fundamentalism
Bakersfield Californian ^ | 5/22/05 | Greg Sandoval - AP

Posted on 05/22/2005 6:53:03 PM PDT by NormsRevenge

SAN FRANCISCO (AP) - To the uninformed, this weekend gathering here may have seemed like a church revival, full of zeal and fervor. But worshipping God was most decidedly not part of the agenda.

The attendees of the "All Atheists Weekend" gathered to discuss what they call the rise of fundamentalism in the U.S. and the blurring of lines between church and state.

Attendees also took time to view documentaries that question the historical accuracy of the Bible - and to hear lectures about the dangers of religious icons on public property and problems with President Bush's so-called "faith-based initiative," which seeks to give religious groups equal footing in seeking federal grants to provide social services.

Organizers said they expected more than 250 people to take part in the event, which featured a lecture by Ellen Johnson, the president of American Atheists. The gathering began Friday and continued through Sunday at various spots throughout the city.

The religious right's increasing involvement in U.S. politics has triggered an angry backlash among the godless, say Bay area atheist groups, five of which organized the weekend event.

"It's time for us to push back," said psychologist Jaime Arcila, 52, of San Francisco, who was accompanied by his two children, Javier, 15, and Amanda, 12, in a tiny theater Saturday night just south of downtown.

Arcila, who is not an official member of any atheist group, said he was prompted to attend Saturday's showing of "The God Who Wasn't There," along with about 100 other people, because of what he sees as a growing intolerance in the U.S. for people with alternative views and lifestyles.

Arcila, who was raised by Catholic parents, said the nation needs more dialogue about "peace, tolerance, justice, and love," not exclusion based on a difference of ideas.

Ali, a 36-year-old native Iranian, agreed. He declined to give his last name because he said he wants to return to his Muslim-dominated homeland someday and fears that he could be persecuted should he be identified as an atheist.

Ali said he knows all too well the effects of religious fundamentalism on a society from his own experiences in his native country.

Nations that accept only one set of values or beliefs are "restrictive and stifling," Ali said.

"I was a Muslim but stopped believing after a lot of pain and after a lot of thought," he said. "Being here at this event is encouraging me not to be afraid. It strengthens me and helps me stand up for what I believe."

But just how tolerant of Christianity and other religions are the atheists?

"We don't hate Christians," said David Fitzgerald, 40, an insurance broker and member of San Francisco Atheists. "People in this country are free to believe in whatever they want."

Nonetheless, during the Saturday night movie, the crowd booed and hissed when a photo of Pat Robertson was displayed on the screen.

Robertson, the founder of the Christian Broadcasting Network and a former U.S. presidential candidate, is a leader in the efforts by some religious groups to return America and its government to Christian values.

Fitzgerald offered no apologies.

"Robertson and other Theocrats scare the hell out of us," Fitzgerald said. "They want to turn a democracy into a theocracy. Even Christians are afraid of that."


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1 posted on 05/22/2005 6:53:04 PM PDT by NormsRevenge
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To: NormsRevenge

I want their belief in Atheism (faith that there is no god) out of my public schools. Freedom OF religion is not freedom FROM religion.

Agnosticism is the word for those who say "don't know". Atheisms claim to know.


2 posted on 05/22/2005 6:57:51 PM PDT by weegee ("Do you want them to write a piece about how great the military is?" Elizabeth Bumiller - NY Times)
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To: NormsRevenge

THEY ARE ONLY AFRAID OF CHRISTIANITY. Satans only fear is Christianity. Islam and all other religions are no threat to it. Thus the vehemence towards Christ and anything Christian.


3 posted on 05/22/2005 6:58:29 PM PDT by BigFinn
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To: NormsRevenge
Atheists say it's time to 'push back' fundamentalism ^


5 posted on 05/22/2005 6:58:33 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ...... The War on Terrorism is the ultimate 'faith-based' initiative.)
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To: NormsRevenge
God created the atheist, that's all you need to know. I'm going to bed now. God bless.
6 posted on 05/22/2005 7:00:45 PM PDT by chapin2500 (Revenge is a dish best served cold.)
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To: NormsRevenge

Ali was there, but couldn't give his last name because he wants to return to his Muslim homeland, and is afraid he will be persecuted if they find out he is an atheist....

BUT, while he is here, able to go to the meeting, openly, and talk about it, openly, he BLASTS AMERICA for being intolerant????

WTF?????


7 posted on 05/22/2005 7:00:58 PM PDT by Txsleuth (Mark Levin for Supreme Court Justice)
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To: NormsRevenge
Psssssssssssst. Atheists, better watch out Islam is
gaining on you, they don't believe in live and let live.
Have a nice stoning, er a nice day.
8 posted on 05/22/2005 7:01:17 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: tet68
Ali, a 36-year-old native Iranian, agreed. He declined to give his last name because he said he wants to return to his Muslim-dominated homeland someday and fears that he could be persecuted should he be identified as an atheist.
9 posted on 05/22/2005 7:04:42 PM PDT by Clock King
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To: NormsRevenge
I'm an agnostic who hasn't been bothered once--not ONCE--by public prayers or other religious displays. Most people are Christian in the country and the towns/cities where I've lived. They want to express that at games and public events. I stand there in silence, wait out this minor display, and then, hard to believe I know, life continues on as before. I've never been persecuted; I've never been frightened or intimidated by anyone's public religious observations; I don't fall into a funk when I see "God" on public buildings, money, documents, etc.

There are many, many Christians who would LIKE Christianity (their version of it, of course) to become the law of the land. But it hasn't happened, and it ain't gonna happen. The atheists and agnostics seem to think that this is some growing threat that must be addressed immediately. I just wish they felt this way about militant Islam.

10 posted on 05/22/2005 7:05:16 PM PDT by Darkwolf (aka Darkwolf377 lurker since'01, member since 4/'04--stop clogging me with pings!)
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To: NormsRevenge

Some self-styled Christians agree with these atheists.


11 posted on 05/22/2005 7:05:30 PM PDT by k2blader ("A kingdom of conscience ... That is what lies at the end of Crusade.")
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To: NormsRevenge

Judges rule unconstitutionally that God must be removed from our schools. Judges rule the Pledge must be stricken if it includes "under God". Judges rule homosexual marriage is a constitutional right. Judges rule Abortion is a constitutional right. Judges rule the Ten Commandments must be removed from court houses. Judges rule nativity scenes must be taken down. Judges rule a Cross must be removed from a building.

Secularists attack Christianity by burning the pages of the Bible, coating objects of Christianity in urine, taking His name in vain.

They call Christians kooks, Christianity a fairytale, they compare us to the Taliban and they call Dobson the anti-Christ ironically considering their lack of belief.

They state a movie about our Savior will trigger a response that will result in Christians unleashing jihad against the Jews.

Just who picked this fight?


12 posted on 05/22/2005 7:05:56 PM PDT by Soul Seeker
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To: NormsRevenge

Saw a bumper sticker" God Doesn't Believe In Atheists".


13 posted on 05/22/2005 7:06:28 PM PDT by Doctor Raoul (Support Our Troops, Spit On A Liberal Reporter)
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To: kstewskis; Victoria Delsoul; Raquel; Kelly_2000; Jemian; Miss Marple
We don't hate Christians," said David Fitzgerald, 40, an insurance broker and member of San Francisco Atheists. "People in this country are free to believe in whatever they want."

Nonetheless, during the Saturday night movie, the crowd booed and hissed when a photo of Pat Robertson was displayed on the screen.

Priceless!

14 posted on 05/22/2005 7:08:33 PM PDT by Northern Yankee (Habemus Papum)
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To: weegee
Agnosticism is the word for those who say "don't know". Atheisms claim to know.

Between the agnostic and atheist positions, the agnostic position is the most rational.


15 posted on 05/22/2005 7:09:49 PM PDT by rdb3 (One may smile and smile and still be a villain.)
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To: Northern Yankee

Careful. A large enough cadre of FReepers consistently boo and hiss at "fundies" like Robertson and others like him.


16 posted on 05/22/2005 7:11:03 PM PDT by k2blader ("A kingdom of conscience ... That is what lies at the end of Crusade.")
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To: NormsRevenge
"Robertson and other Theocrats scare the hell out of us," Fitzgerald said

Hell? No such place, Mr Fitzgerald...right?
17 posted on 05/22/2005 7:12:47 PM PDT by silverleaf (Fasten your seat belts- it's going to be a BUMPY ride.)
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To: weegee

"Freedom OF religion is not freedom FROM religion."

Pretty meaningless statement. For some science is a religion, for some sex is. Buddhism is a religion and yet the existence of any diety is superfluous. Are we going to pass legislation requiring that every American be involved in some sort of religion? Should Satanism or Scientology be allowed satisfy that requirement? Look, I am not anti-Christian, but these sorts of meaningless statements hurt the conservative cause.


18 posted on 05/22/2005 7:13:14 PM PDT by Avenger
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To: NormsRevenge

I work with a very vocal athiest. This guy is a little obnoxious and seems to me to be a good representation of athiests everywhere. It is not enough that he does not believe in God, he will not suffer anyone else to believe in Him either. He and I have nearly called each other out more than once. BTW, he is also a very vocal and obnoxious democrat and those two things go hand in hand more often than not.


19 posted on 05/22/2005 7:13:42 PM PDT by Guard Dog (The strong do what they can, the weak suffer what they must)
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To: weegee

Atheism is the root of all Liberalism. People who beleive in a God would not support killing babies and supporting communists.


20 posted on 05/22/2005 7:16:09 PM PDT by DeepRed
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To: NormsRevenge

While I freely admit that I have become quite disabused of the notion of an omniscient being and a grace through faith I just can't see myself mustering a band of devotees to crusade against the absurd and then expect those to whom I target my rage to respect and accept my new-found wisdom.


21 posted on 05/22/2005 7:17:31 PM PDT by Old Professer (As darkness is the absence of light, evil is the absence of good; innocence is blind.)
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To: Avenger

Here's a radical thought. Instead of federal judges decreeing from the bench, why don't we let local communities decide the level of religious expression they want in their public venue. So if D.C. wants their schools completely secular, they can make that decision and if Macon, Georgia wants their schools to include Christian prayer at all school events, they can make that decision, and not have to worry about 9 men in black robes in D.C. telling them they can't.


22 posted on 05/22/2005 7:18:31 PM PDT by frgoff
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To: k2blader

Careful. A large enough cadre of FReepers consistently boo and hiss at "fundies" like Robertson and others like him.



Isn't Pat the one who claimed turn away a hurricane from the East coast using prayer? I used to watch him from time to time years ago. He seems like a nice enough guy but he is definitely something of a kook. In my opinion, anyone who is on good enough terms with God to get Him to turn away a hurricane for you personally is not going to be blabbing about it on television. God has a bit more class.


23 posted on 05/22/2005 7:18:44 PM PDT by Avenger
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To: NormsRevenge
Ali said he knows all too well the effects of religious fundamentalism

Earth to Ali! Earth to Ali! Christian fundamentalists do not blow themselves up or swear killing those of opposing view. Muslim fundamentalists do. There are no similarities between the two groups!

24 posted on 05/22/2005 7:19:01 PM PDT by Former Fetus (fetuses are 100% pro-life, they just don't vote yet!)
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To: NormsRevenge

Thank God I'm an atheist...


25 posted on 05/22/2005 7:19:09 PM PDT by rudy45
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To: NormsRevenge
Atheists say it's time to 'push back' fundamentalism

Fundamentalists say it's time to 'pray' for atheists.

I know which one I want for a neighbor.
26 posted on 05/22/2005 7:19:45 PM PDT by Dr.Zoidberg (Children's classic songs updated for Islam "If you're happy and you know it, Go Kaboom!")
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To: Avenger

I knew one of you would show up sooner than not.


27 posted on 05/22/2005 7:19:47 PM PDT by k2blader ("A kingdom of conscience ... That is what lies at the end of Crusade.")
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To: k2blader

Glad to oblige. Now, was it Pat who claimed to turn the hurricane away? Doesn't that strike you as a bit kooky?


28 posted on 05/22/2005 7:22:50 PM PDT by Avenger
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To: Avenger

"For some science is a religion, for some sex is."

I think you might need to check out the definition of the word "religion". Really liking something does not make that something a religion, no matter how "religiously" that something is pursued.


30 posted on 05/22/2005 7:25:05 PM PDT by L98Fiero
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To: BigFinn

It couldn't be that Islam isn't the dominant religion here, and they dislike what they know best? I'm sure they would hate Islam as well if they knew it better.


31 posted on 05/22/2005 7:25:06 PM PDT by Mr. Blonde (You know, Happy Time Harry, just being around you kinda makes me want to die.)
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To: Darkwolf

I respect your beliefs and thank you for your post--

I think this group, just like the activist gay groups that are always talking about American intolerance are the ones that are intolerant...

I live in about as Middle America as you can get--and I don't think any one I know would care if a person was gay, atheist or agnostic....wouldn't even ask, for that matter.


But, we don't want to be "challenged" into an argument over their "rights" when we haven't ever "looked" for the fight to begin with...


32 posted on 05/22/2005 7:25:34 PM PDT by Txsleuth (Mark Levin for Supreme Court Justice)
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To: NormsRevenge

The trick here is recognizing atheists don't even begin to have a clue as to what Christianity is all about. The perception they have of religion and supernatural belief is all they identify as being a system of thinking equivalent to their own worldly system of thought.

Even if they wanted to eliminate Christianity, they would never succeed because the mind of Christ through faith in Him is eternal.


33 posted on 05/22/2005 7:27:33 PM PDT by Cvengr (<;^))
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To: NormsRevenge

Boohoo. "Theocrats" scare them.

Godless secular humanists scare me. Too bad we fundamentalists are gaining ground on them.

BTW, atheism is a religion. It is faith in oneself. Mr/Ms atheist, you are too small and too stupid to be God, so sit down and shut up.


34 posted on 05/22/2005 7:29:30 PM PDT by msf92497 (My brain is "twitchy")
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To: NormsRevenge

Kind of ironic, really. Atheism is a religious doctrine that by its very nature can never advance from the fundamental tenet that there is no God. The real "fundamentalists" were sitting right there in that, er, "congregation."


35 posted on 05/22/2005 7:30:25 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: DeepRed
Atheism is the root of all Liberalism.

Yeah sure, FDR, JFK & LBJ were all well known Atheist

People who beleive in a God would not support killing babies

I hate to be the one to break it to you but most people who are pro-choice as well as most of the people who have had abortions  in this country are in fact Christians.

No surprise since the Bible is definately not Pro-life

Hosea

13:16 Samaria shall become desolate; for she hath rebelled against her God: they shall fall by the sword: their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up.

and supporting communists.

Tell that to the South American Leftist

36 posted on 05/22/2005 7:33:24 PM PDT by qam1 (There's been a huge party. All plates and the bottles are empty, all that's left is the bill to pay)
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To: DeepRed
Atheism is the root of all Liberalism.

Going even deeper, narcissism is the fundamental seed of leftist thinking. A supreme being is serious competition. They can't handle that. George Soros, the money behind moveon.org, once admitted to a friend that he believes that he IS God.

37 posted on 05/22/2005 7:33:31 PM PDT by Reeses (The evil force behind leftism is vanity and its sister sin envy.)
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To: NormsRevenge
"Robertson and other Theocrats scare the hell out of us," Fitzgerald said.

Interesting choice of words for an atheist.

38 posted on 05/22/2005 7:34:08 PM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: qam1

Pulling scripture out of context is lame. Why don't you explain why that was written. I won't do the work for you, so don't ask. I just want to see if there is any substance behind the post.

Waiting.


39 posted on 05/22/2005 7:35:56 PM PDT by msf92497 (My brain is "twitchy")
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To: NormsRevenge
"We don't hate Christians," said David Fitzgerald, 40, an insurance broker and member of San Francisco Atheists.

Liar.

40 posted on 05/22/2005 7:36:04 PM PDT by Keith in Iowa (Life's a beach - and Liberals are like the sand that gets in your swimsuit...)
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To: NormsRevenge

"Atheists say it's time to 'push back'fundamentalism."

The devil they say!


41 posted on 05/22/2005 7:37:40 PM PDT by F.J. Mitchell (The House of Representatives serves people-The Senate serves phony baloney.)
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People in this country are free to believe in whatever they want.

And yet they protest. Hypocritical statement of the year award.

42 posted on 05/22/2005 7:38:53 PM PDT by the anti-liberal (It's time the left - left!!!)
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To: NormsRevenge
"Atheists say it's time to 'push back' fundamentalism"

It's time?! This "campaign" has been in progressive bloom for over forty years. What a bunch of maroons!

43 posted on 05/22/2005 7:42:22 PM PDT by torchthemummy ("Sober Idealism Equals Pragmatism")
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Point being, all folks have something that they believe in. Christians and Jews believe in God. Muslims believe in Allah. The atheist believes in mankind. It's just a matter of where your faith is.


44 posted on 05/22/2005 7:50:26 PM PDT by OldArmy94
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To: DeepRed

Religion is the root of all evil. This was confirmed once again when I awoke to "The News about Religion" on the BBC World Service this morning. Every single story involved violence and one religion against another. Religion sucks.


45 posted on 05/22/2005 7:51:50 PM PDT by balls
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To: NormsRevenge
[ Atheists say it's time to 'push back' fundamentalism ]

What a waste of time and effort..
Christian fundamentalists are going toward apostasy quickly..
All they have to do is wait and watch..
What a bunch of losers...

46 posted on 05/22/2005 7:56:21 PM PDT by hosepipe (This Propaganda has been edited to include not a small amount of Hyperbole..)
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To: hosepipe

Please define what a christian fundamentalist believes about his/her faith. I hear the term fundamentalist tossed out so often...I just want to know what one is...

Thanks


47 posted on 05/22/2005 7:59:25 PM PDT by msf92497 (My brain is "twitchy")
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Simple because the Samaritans chose to worship another God, thus it's ok to rip out the embryos of their pregnant women. So much for that free will thingy.

Plus see

Leviticus

27:3 And thy estimation shall be of the male from twenty years old even unto sixty years old, even thy estimation shall be fifty shekels of silver, after the shekel of the sanctuary.

27:4 And if it be a female, then thy estimation shall be thirty shekels.

27:5 And if it be from five years old even unto twenty years old, then thy estimation shall be of the male twenty shekels, and for the female ten shekels.

27:6 And if it be from a month old even unto five years old, then thy estimation shall be of the male five shekels of silver, and for the female thy estimation shall be three shekels of silver.

27:7 And if it be from sixty years old and above; if it be a male, then thy estimation shall be fifteen shekels, and for the female ten shekels.

Same is repeated in Numbers

3:14 And the LORD spake unto Moses in the wilderness of Sinai, saying,

3:15 Number the children of Levi after the house of their fathers, by their families: every male from a month old and upward shalt thou number them.

So I guess according to the Bible children less than 1 month old are worthless and don't count

48 posted on 05/22/2005 7:59:43 PM PDT by qam1 (There's been a huge party. All plates and the bottles are empty, all that's left is the bill to pay)
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To: qam1

Wrong.

You do not explain the context of why such actions were sanctioned. What was the purpose of the action? There was a reason beyond punishment or retribution. What was it?


49 posted on 05/22/2005 8:03:23 PM PDT by msf92497 (My brain is "twitchy")
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To: msf92497
[ Please define what a christian fundamentalist believes about his/her faith. I hear the term fundamentalist tossed out so often...I just want to know what one is... ]

Thats why the fundies are into apostasy, they don't know either..
My definition would bore you.. so trust me..

50 posted on 05/22/2005 8:03:57 PM PDT by hosepipe (This Propaganda has been edited to include not a small amount of Hyperbole..)
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