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Gary Bauer Calls Senate Judicial Deal a 'Sell Out'
US Newswire ^ | 5/23/05 | Kristi Hamrick

Posted on 05/23/2005 8:19:01 PM PDT by Tumbleweed_Connection

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To: kingattax

this is Senate rules, not Constitutional rules


81 posted on 05/23/2005 9:04:53 PM PDT by all_views
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To: all_views
Well, all_views, since you're a liberal, maybe you'd like to look at the list of your 7 who voted for the deal:

Joe Lieberman
Ben Nelson
Mary Landrieu
Mark Pryor
Ken Salazar
Kent Conrad
Robert Byrd

Please keep in mind, though, that I don't think the deal's that bad since we get a pass on up to 7 nominees.
82 posted on 05/23/2005 9:05:05 PM PDT by hispanichoosier
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To: cyborg
republican *insert name for female genitalia here*

Octopussy/8

83 posted on 05/23/2005 9:06:19 PM PDT by Petronski (A champion of dance, my moves will put you in a trance, and I never leave the disco alone.)
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To: all_views
Welcome to FR. I'd caution the passionate on both sides (and Lord, are they ever!) to regard this as a very interesting exercise in practical politics over principle. And I don't mean to demean it by labeling it so. Without these 14 votes neither side would have been able to claim a complete victory. Both feel they should have and deserve to, but the fact is that neither would have. These 14 felt that it was in the interest of the country, or of themselves (it isn't always the same thing) to avoid an showdown on the issue. And so one was avoided for the moment, even if it is only delayed.

What then? This is precisely why politics is called "the art of the possible." This sort of thing is what is going to keep the Sunni, Shi'a, and Kurds from butchering one another in Iraq, and believe me, if you think the Dems and Pubbies are passionate on the issue, those boys make us look calm by comparison.

We can't stop fighting for our judicial nominees, of course. It's just going to have to be under slightly altered conditions, if in fact they are altered at all. This is just really interesting, and I'm going to have to consider the matter at much greater length to say any more.

84 posted on 05/23/2005 9:07:46 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: onyx

I don't know anything of course as nobody could at this point in time. It is just that the state is trending GOP and his is racing to the left. His performances in general are probably a bit embarrasing to increasingly suburban W.Va.

I read a little something about the GOP putting a true conservative up against him that had come very close in a prior statewide election. That could make this something like Thune v. Dashel hopefully.


85 posted on 05/23/2005 9:08:18 PM PDT by JLS
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To: Natural Law

OBITUARY

The Republican Party, suffering from a long and debilitating illness, passed away tonight. Despite efforts by the majority of voters to support in record numbers, it succumbed to repeated attcks by viral agents named John McCain, Frist, Snowe and Chaffee, among others.

Autopsy results indicated a total degeneration of the intestines (guts), spinal chord (bacbone) and testicles.

No wake is expected as no mourners are available.

Requiescat in oblivion.


86 posted on 05/23/2005 9:09:36 PM PDT by ZULU (Fear the government which fears your guns. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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To: all_views
we are saying the same thing about the republicans on DU, in regard to "exceptional cirsumstances"

That's pretty much the point.

The term is meaningless.

When the next confrontation rolls out we'll be treated to all sorts historical misrepresentation.  All of a sudden we'll be told the entire constitution rises and falls on the foundation of the exceptional circumstances standard.  Never mind it just got made up.  :-)

87 posted on 05/23/2005 9:09:45 PM PDT by Racehorse (Where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.)
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To: Postman

I don't trust them. I preferred changing the rules because I suspect the GOP will never filibuster any radical Dim nominee.

But now that we have this deal, we have to evaluate how good or bad it is.


88 posted on 05/23/2005 9:09:47 PM PDT by JLS
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To: hispanichoosier

yeah, I know, most are moderates. What I find interesting is your side seems as equally pissed as those at DU, but I think you got a great deal and really gave up nothing, and why should you? You won Congress and the executive branch in 2004.


89 posted on 05/23/2005 9:10:01 PM PDT by all_views
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

It was not a sell out. It was black mail.

The reason this happened is the FBI Files the Clinton Administration grabbed on the Republicans. They are afraid the Dems will do to them at the Dems did to Henry Hyde.

Anytime something this stupid by the Republicans comes up, every time you say to yourself, "how stupid can the Republicans be?" this is the answer.

And the answer for all of us is to vote out the Republican incumbants in the next primary. We have to get the extorted GOP members out of Congress.


90 posted on 05/23/2005 9:10:18 PM PDT by BJungNan
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To: onyx
Here, I've been thinking the old byrd would die on the floor of the senate chamber!

Hell, if we tell him it will set a Sssssenate Precedent, he'll probably volunteer!

91 posted on 05/23/2005 9:10:53 PM PDT by Petronski (A champion of dance, my moves will put you in a trance, and I never leave the disco alone.)
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To: zarf
Gary Bauer. Anoter idiot.

Nope, it was a boneheaded move by the Republicans. Bauer is right on.

92 posted on 05/23/2005 9:11:41 PM PDT by BJungNan
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To: rapture-me

rope.


93 posted on 05/23/2005 9:11:41 PM PDT by beyond the sea (I’m sleeping with myself tonight.........saved in time, thank God my music’s still alive)
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To: JLS
IF THEY INTEND TO FILIBUSTER FUTURE DIM OUT OF THE MAINSTREAM JUDICIAL APPOINTEES. That to me is the implied long term promise

You're assuming that Democrats have a future as a majority party, and everywhere we look we see democrats losing elections and power.

If we judge every present day rules change by what may happen years into the future we'll change nothing, and judicial activism will always be with us.

We live in the present, and we have an obligation to our children to make this country as safe for them as possible. That won't happen by making deals today based on what may happen years from now.

94 posted on 05/23/2005 9:12:03 PM PDT by Noachian (To Control the Judiciary The People Must First Control The Congress)
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To: Petronski


OH YES!
You know, I think he's hanging on JUST to break Strom's record.


95 posted on 05/23/2005 9:13:41 PM PDT by onyx (Pope John Paul II - May 18, 1920 - April 2, 2005 = SANTO SUBITO!)
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To: JLS

I really, really, really want him to lose!

He is an embarrassment. Arrogant old fool.


96 posted on 05/23/2005 9:15:04 PM PDT by onyx (Pope John Paul II - May 18, 1920 - April 2, 2005 = SANTO SUBITO!)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

1
Judge not, that ye be not judged.
2
For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with
what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
3
And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye,
but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
4
Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote
out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?
5
Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye;
and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy
brother's eye.


97 posted on 05/23/2005 9:15:07 PM PDT by TeatimeTim
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To: all_views
What I find interesting is your side seems as equally pissed as those at DU, but I think you got a great deal and really gave up nothing

Yeah, we're pissed because we feel like the RINOs in our party screwed us over once again. However, I completely agree that--numerically at least--we come out ahead with the nominees that will now be voted on.
98 posted on 05/23/2005 9:15:43 PM PDT by hispanichoosier
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To: BJungNan

Bauer supported McCain. He needs to shut his pie hole.


99 posted on 05/23/2005 9:16:26 PM PDT by zarf
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To: zarf
Bauer supported McCain. He needs to shut his pie hole.

I had forgotten about that!
100 posted on 05/23/2005 9:17:19 PM PDT by hispanichoosier
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