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Women are still a closed book to men (Research shows men mainly read works by other men)
The Guardian ^ | Sunday May 29, 2005 | David Smith

Posted on 06/01/2005 11:20:49 PM PDT by nickcarraway

Men have finally realised what they are missing, but they still aren't all that keen to do anything about it.

This is the conclusion of a study into sex differences in reading habits, which found that, while women read the works of both sexes, men stick to books written by men. And the boys can no longer use ignorance as an excuse.

'Men clearly now know that there are some great books by women - such as Andrea Levy's Small Island - they really ought to have read and ought to consider "great" (or at least good) writing,' the report said. 'They recognise the titles and they've read the reviews. They may even have bought, or been given the books, and start reading them. But they probably won't finish them.'

The research was carried out by academics Lisa Jardine and Annie Watkins of Queen Mary College, London, to mark the 10th year of the Orange Prize for Fiction, a literary honour whose women-only rule provoked righteous indignation when the competition was founded. They asked 100 academics, critics and writers and found virtually all now supported the prize.

But a gender gap remains in what people choose to read, at least among the cultural elite. Four out of five men said the last novel they read was by a man, whereas women were almost as likely to have read a book by a male author as a female. When asked what novel by a woman they had read most recently, a majority of men found it hard to recall or could not answer. Women, however, often gave several titles. The report said: 'Men who read fiction tend to read fiction by men, while women read fiction by both women and men.

'Consequently, fiction by women remains "special interest", while fiction by men still sets the standard for quality, narrative and style.'

In the survey, men were asked to name the 'most important' book by a woman written in the last two years. Brick Lane by Monica Ali and Carol Shields's Unless were frequently among the replies, but many men admitted defeat and confessed they had no idea. At least one who suggested Brick Lane admitted he had not read it.

The report added: 'Men's reading habits have altered very little since the Orange Prize burst onto the fiction scene in 1996.

Although no one would admit that the gender of the author had any influence on their choice of fictional reading-matter, men were still far less likely to have read a novel by a woman than by a man, whereas women read titles by either.

'Pressed for a preference, many men also found it much more difficult to "like" or "admire" a novel authored by a woman - for them "great" writing was male writing (oh - apart from Jane Austen, of course),' the report said.

'No wonder, then, that each year when the winner of the Orange Prize is announced a chorus of disappointment goes up from "mainstream" critics: how could such an undistinguished book have won?'

A decade ago the Orange Prize drew the scorn of many leading writers, including Kingsley Amis ('If I were a woman, I would not want to win this prize. One can hardly take the winner seriously'), and AS Byatt ('I am against anything which ghettoises women. That is my deepest feminist emotion").

The prize is now estab lished just behind the Man Booker and the Whitbread in the literary hierarchy and had huge support among survey respondents, although some still expressed ambivalence. Julie Burchill said: 'I see where it's coming from but totally understand the reasons why women don't want their novels to be entered for it.'

Jardine said: 'When pressed, men are likely to say things like: "I believe Monica Ali's Brick Lane is a really important book - I'm afraid I haven't read it." I find it most endearing that in 10 years what male readers of fiction have done is learn to pretend that they've read women's books.'

This year's £30,000 Orange Prize will be awarded on 7 June.


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To: nickcarraway

Its 'cause wimmenses write funny.


41 posted on 06/02/2005 2:53:15 AM PDT by Adder (Can we bring back stoning again? Please?)
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To: nickcarraway

I've read and greatly enjoyed Colleen McCullough's series of novels about the fall of the Roman Republic. Brilliant work!

42 posted on 06/02/2005 3:01:29 AM PDT by Cincinatus (Omnia relinquit servare Republicam)
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To: Pelayo
Well my education weakness is English, so grammar errors don't stand out as much. I just can't stand over elaboration of something like describing details of a room. Take Colleen McCullough for example. Very crisp quick writing. This could be due to a very good editor, or Colleen being just that good. I started Mary Renault's The King Must Die, but for some reason I put it down and haven't picked it back up. Not for sure why. I don't think it had to do with the writing, perhaps the subject just didn't peak my interest at the time.

There are male writers that I cannot stand as well. Some of Robert Heinlein's work or David McCullough's John Adams Biography. David's book on John Adams is good, but to long. Splitting it into two books would of been best or better editing to get the book down to a smaller size.

Of course reading a Conan book written by a Scotsman. Who was bound and determine to give Conan a Scotish accent and terminology. Talk about wanting to stab ones eye out!
43 posted on 06/02/2005 3:01:29 AM PDT by neb52
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To: nickcarraway

for later


44 posted on 06/02/2005 3:02:42 AM PDT by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like what you say))
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To: familyop
"Research shows men mainly read works by other men"

Well duh! I hope the none of our tax dollars were involved in this "research" :-)

45 posted on 06/02/2005 3:04:47 AM PDT by Lloyd227
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To: nickcarraway

I have several hundred books – only about half a dozen are fiction. I have found few female history or science writers.


46 posted on 06/02/2005 3:10:57 AM PDT by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: nickcarraway

Another female author that isn't to bad. L. Dean James.

http://www.fantasticfiction.co.uk/authors/L_Dean_James.htm


47 posted on 06/02/2005 3:11:05 AM PDT by neb52
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To: KellyAdmirer
Some of my earliest sci-fi reading was by Andre Norton

Mine too. I was wondering if she was still alive or not, the woman musta been about 100 or so! The first book by her I read was "Daybreak 2250 A.D." back in the 8th grade. (and 8th grade was 32 years ago!)

48 posted on 06/02/2005 3:11:32 AM PDT by dirtbiker (Solution for Terrorism: Nuke 'em 'till they glow, then shoot 'em in the dark!)
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To: neb52
There are male writers that I cannot stand as well. Some of Robert Heinlein's work...

Worst thing I ever did to myself was read Stranger in a Strange Land, not the original publication either, but the new unedited one. Yes, thats right, there was a bunch of weirdness that was actually cut from the original, and is now reintegrated.

49 posted on 06/02/2005 3:12:14 AM PDT by Pelayo ("If there is hope... it lies in the quixotics." - Me)
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To: neb52

Scratch that, shes a he.


50 posted on 06/02/2005 3:12:47 AM PDT by neb52
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To: nickcarraway

...In the survey, men were asked to name the 'most important' book by a woman written in the last two years......My Worthless Political Life by Patty Murray????


51 posted on 06/02/2005 3:14:26 AM PDT by Route101
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To: All
I see a lot of people have mentioned women authors that men read, such as Ann Rice, Agatha Christie, etc. These don't count, you see, because those women do not write important novels. (Important novels are those depressing books hailed by literary critics as fraught with meaning, questioning the meaning of life, detailing the shallow and hopeless quality of existence in middle class America, etc. etc.)

Myself, I don't read important novels whether written by a woman or a man. I do not care to waste my time on a book that will either depress me or tick me off.

52 posted on 06/02/2005 3:15:39 AM PDT by Miss Marple
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To: nickcarraway
I'm a sci-fi guy, right? And I have to say that sci-fi written by women is largely unreadable to me.

Either puts me to sleep, or involves lesbian fantasy worlds about all female societies devoid of men.

Forget "feeding the Galactic All-Mother with love", give me interstellar war!

53 posted on 06/02/2005 3:15:58 AM PDT by FierceDraka (The Democratic Party - Aiding and Abetting The Enemies of America Since 1968)
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To: Miss Marple
Myself, I don't read important novels whether written by a woman or a man. I do not care to waste my time on a book that will either depress me or tick me off.

Then how do you know what's in them? Me myself, I've never read any books considered important that contained the ideas you outlined.

54 posted on 06/02/2005 3:26:17 AM PDT by Pelayo ("If there is hope... it lies in the quixotics." - Me)
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To: Hetty_Fauxvert
I see that Lois McMaster Bujold just won what I think is her third Nebula for best SF/F novel (PALLADIN OF SOULS). Clearly there are *some* men who are reading her works!
I don't know about the recent fantasy-type ones, but that was definitely the case with the Vorkosigan series. I bought the last 3 or 4 of those day-of-hardcover-release. She's good at blending genres ...mixing in mystery and even romance, and is matchless at character development.

-Eric

55 posted on 06/02/2005 3:56:14 AM PDT by E Rocc (If God is watching us, we can at least try to be entertaining)
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To: nickcarraway

The Guardian and Mr.Smith can bugger off. I'm an avid reader of detective and mystery fiction and there are several women in those genres whose work I read and enjoy enough to collect signed first editions...Julie Smith, Nevada Barr, Edna Buchanan, Alafair Burke, Karin Slaughter and Judith Van Gieson...just to name a few.


56 posted on 06/02/2005 4:06:59 AM PDT by MississippiMasterpiece
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To: nickcarraway
Maybe it's because men write for the universe at large and women who enter this "contest" write for feminists.

Gawd I hate reading this kind of tripe at 6am

57 posted on 06/02/2005 4:12:55 AM PDT by America's Resolve (Liberal Democrats are liars, cheats and thieves with no morals, scruples, ethics or honor!)
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To: Ruth A.
Women's lit was hijacked by feminist, lesbo (is that redundant?) or minority writers about three or four decades ago. There should be no longer why people are less inclined to read it.

Camille Paglia would agree with that, so would Christina Hoff Sommers and Dr. Laura Schlessinger...

http://www.bu.edu/arion/paglia_cults00.htm

58 posted on 06/02/2005 4:13:21 AM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: Smokin' Joe
The last two or three works of fiction I attempted to read which were written by women had such glaring errors when referring to firearms or other technical subjects that I just put them down in disgust.

I've done that myself! (Yes, I'm a woman.) That's one good reason for reading action/thrillers written by men.

59 posted on 06/02/2005 4:16:06 AM PDT by no more apples (BP 70)
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To: Hetty_Fauxvert
Can anyone recommend SF written by women that includes Explosions and Rayguns and doesn't involve endless nannering dialog about how the characters feel? I read a lot of fantasy fiction by women, but I can't seem to mine the SF vein.
60 posted on 06/02/2005 4:21:17 AM PDT by 50sDad ( ST3d - Star Trek Tri-D Chess! http://my.oh.voyager.net/~abartmes)
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