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[Pusterfuss]

I thought I was the only one with thoughts this dour. I literally fear for the continued existance of this country. Of course, I am branded a whacko if I express it.

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[Windsong]

YAWN

[prion]

No country lasts forever. That's an inarguable fact.

It's true. Once upon a time, there was a place called England. One day, it just vanished. It was near the spot where the ancient nations of France and Spain and Portugal and Holland once stood. All gone. I woke up this morning, smoking hole where Canada used to be.

It's spooky, man.

[Wiz]

What a great stupidity from Bob Newman. There is significant difference for America and the previous fallen governments, which are the barrier of the seas. If any country would attempt to invade America, they will face billions of militias that are armed ready to resist any invasion. The only two countries on the border of America does not have such a power to defeat US. Terrorism? You can't defeat a country by external non-state based terrorism. His comparisons are nothing but comparing oranges with apples, and nothing but a communist day dream.

[DainBramage]

I would agree if the title were "End Of Days, When CBS Falls"

[Reagan Man]

"No arsenal or no weapon in the arsenals of the world is so formidable as the will and moral courage of free men and women."

President Ronald Reagan, First Inaugural Address, January 20, 1981

[spinestein]

[No country lasts forever. That’s an inarguable fact.]


I'll argue against that statement.

It's non falsifiable (forever hasn't arrived yet) so it cannot be a proved fact.

Just thought I'd throw my two cents in.

[StoneGiant]

[marron]

Pray and work.

Work and pray.

Take back control of your kids, take back control of your own life, take back control of your schools or build new ones. Take back control of your party or build a new one. Talk, write, work, pray.

And, just remember, the kids over in Iraq and Afghanistan are the finest soldiers we have ever fielded, and they are all coming home to take their place in this society. That will mean something, although we don't yet see it, as they each transform their piece of the world, just by being in it.

[Joe 6-pack]

America's current state of decline is readily explained, but not irreversible. Our founders established a system which affirmed and relied upon Natural Law to minimize the need for the codified laws of government.

We have abandoned, if not virtually outlawed the notion that there is such a thing as Natural Law. Society has been led to marginalize those that cling to such antiquated notions as moral absolutes. Our founders envisioned a society where the people were self governing and capable of correctly disposing of coarse, offensive, and immoral behavior through its intolerance of such. Now, the intolerance of immorality is the offending behavior that demands exile. During our descent we have been told that we must reject the notion of a higher authority. Now we are told that disbelief is no longer adequate, but fashion demands we act in open defiance of the same higher authority we were told does not exist, and nobody sees the absurdity of this.

As soon as we reject the notion of moral absolutes, we reject the existence of the rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, and undermine the very pilings on which this nations was built.

We have met the enemy and he is us. God save us from ourselves.

[B.O. Plenty]

For later

[DCPatriot]

History reveals three primary reasons why countries fall,governments change and ways of life vanish.

Am I missing something here?

[Trimegistus]

I'm continually amazed at how little faith many Freepers seem to have in America and its people.

We're CRUSHING our enemies abroad. Sure, they may be getting some supportive editorials and soundbites from foreign media in their "asymmetric" warfare, but in a war of words vs. bullets, the bullets tend to win.

At home, the idiots like Ward Chumphill (I cannot bring myself to link the greatest Englishman's name with him), Michael Moore, etc. -- are IRRELEVANT. The bulk of the American people know nothing about Ward C. and don't give a damn what Susan Sarandon says this week.

Our enemies at home and abroad are so shrill and fanatical because their backs are against the wall and they see a star-spangled juggernaut bearing down on them with no escape. They are the last desperate howls of dying ideologies, not cries of triumph.

Sure, the United States of America as we know it won't exist forever. But to brood over defeat when we bestride the world as a colossus, unchallenged to an almost unprecendented degree -- that shows a lack of faith and self-confidence. We're _Americans_, remember? Do you really think Michael Moore and Osama bin Laden can defeat us where George III, Jeff Davis and Robert E. Lee, Kaiser Wilhelm, Hitler, Stalin and Brezhnev failed? Our enemies today are little crawling vermin compared to the monsters of the past.

Our cry should not be "O Woe is us!" but "Onward to VICTORY!"

[Faraday]

I'd quibble with calling Tom Friedman and Diane Feinstein extremists.

But the real danger to the country lies in the Imperial Judiciary. As long as a rule of law, democratically derived, is in place the great majority of the people will be satisfied to use democratic and peaceful means to bring about change. If the judiciary continues to impose an elitist law, morality, and ethos on the nation by ignoring/reinterpreting both the Constitution and the laws of the legislatures, then people will be stymied in their ability to mold the system and will despair of trying to reform it.

Of course, the left might try at any time to seize power. This is extremely unlikely to succeed in a nation where the 2nd Amendment is in force.

[BeHoldAPaleHorse]

America will, some day, collapse and fall.

I don't see it happening any time soon (i.e., in what's left of my life or my daughter's life).

[fr_freak]

What makes many Americans think America is invulnerable to collapse or destruction? Such a belief is spectacularly arrogant.

It's statements like this that hint at a larger motivation for the author in this piece. To say that many Americans are naive in their confidence that this country is invulnerable is reasonable, although I would question even that statement, as I can't imagine, after 9/11, that even the most naive among us would claim invulnerability any longer. However, the author specifically accuses us of "arrogance", a word which is thrown out by America-bashers with great regularity. The label of "naive" simply suggests that we don't fully understand the extent and power of the danger, but the accusation of "arrogance" is one laced with an active hatred or contempt for those being accused, as if the author supposes that Americans are willfully ignoring all of the threats when they should, instead, be cowering in the corner and begging the rest of the world for forgiveness. I say to hell with this author.

[normy]

Extremists in the media (the Denver Post’s Reggie Rivers, the Rocky Mountain News’ Jason Salzman, the New York Times’ Tom Friedman, Paul Krugman and Maureen Dowd; Bill Moyers, Air America’s Al Franken, Michael Moore, Barbra Streisand, Tim Robbins, Sean Penn, Susan Sarandon, Ed Asner, et al), politics (Howard Dean, Sen. Dianne Feinstein, Rep. Barbara Boxer, Sen. Ted Kennedy, Sen. John Kerry, Sen. Robert Byrd, et al), and our collective societal commode (Ward Churchill, Louis Farrakhan, et al) are trying to dramatically change America as we know it. From their influential (upon many Americans suffering from muddy thinking) positions, such radicals fuel the flames of hate and discontent among those who are repulsed by the very idea of the United States Constitution and the Bill of Rights. Fury, frustration and disbelief replace reason and respect when these types are forced to accept major political losses and when they realize most Americans disagree with their fanatical agendas. Their shrill fanaticism acts as an accelerant in creating an emotional inferno among the followers of such would-be tyrants, which increases the chances America falling while advancing the time line for our demise.

Air America: Failure (means nobody's listening unlike conservative talk radio)

Al Franken:Does anyone really take him seriously, come on

Michael Moore: Oh sure Hollywood loves him, but he is a coward who has been exposed as a phony.

Barbra Streisand: HA HA HA HA very important in her own mind

Robbins, Penn, Asner and Sarandon: Do these people convince anyone of anything? I doubt it.

Howard Dean:Complete fool of whom the Dems should be embarrassed .

Boxer and Feinstein: Hey California is freakin weird and weirdo's deserve representation in Washington too.

Kennedy and Byrd; One's a punch line and one's an ex-klansman, the loser party embraces them both.

John Kerry: The French looking Senator got his ass handed to him to the tune of 3-4 million voters.

Churchill and Farrakahn: Ones a fake Indian who the real Indians shun the other would fit right in with Byrd if he were white (or Byrd was black)

Citizens protecting their borders and not waiting for big brother to do it for them. New media which catches the lies of the old one and exposes them within hours.( Remember these lies have been going on unchallenged for 40 years until now). Politicians being challenged by voters within hours of their backstabbing. Political parties more beholden to the voter now than ever. Iraq is soon to become the strongest Arab country on earth and we will be their best friend.( That gives us the two strongest in the Middle East)

I say we got a long way to go before we leave this world.

[followerofchrist]

Debt, drugs, and poverty are also huge factors.

[Caipirabob]

The rats better hope the country doesn't fall. In a land with no laws they'll be the first to go.