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Northern Exposure: A court ruling could unravel Canada’s health-care system.
National Review ^ | June 9, 2005 | Grace-Marie Turner

Posted on 06/09/2005 8:06:44 PM PDT by quidnunc

The supreme court of Canada struck down a Quebec law on Thursday that had banned private health insurance for services covered under medicare, Canada's socialized health-care program.

"This is indeed a historic ruling that could substantially change the very foundations of medicare as we know it," Canadian Medical Association president Dr. Albert Schumacher said after the ruling. The ruling means that Quebec residents can pay privately for medical services, even if the services also are available in the provincial health care system.

"Access to a waiting list is not access to health care," the court said in its ruling.

A courageous Canadian doctor, Jacques Chaoulli, challenged the constitutionality of the Canadian ban on private payment. He argued that long waiting times for surgery contradict the country's constitutional guarantees of "life, liberty, and the security of the person."

He was joined in the case by his patient, Montreal businessman George Zeliotis, who waited a year for hip-replacement surgery. Zeliotis, 73, tried to skip the public queue to pay privately for the surgery but learned that was against the law. He argued that the wait was unreasonable, endangered his life, and infringed on his constitutional rights. The court agreed.

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TOPICS: Canada; Editorial; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: socializedmedicine

1 posted on 06/09/2005 8:06:45 PM PDT by quidnunc
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To: quidnunc
"Access to a waiting list is not access to health care," the court said in its ruling.

It only took the Canadians about 30 years to figure this out....

2 posted on 06/09/2005 8:09:33 PM PDT by Brilliant
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tried to skip the public queue to pay privately for the surgery

This phrase sends chills up and down my spine. God forbid we ever end up with Hillary Care in this country.

But, what a great ruling for Canadians! I hope this is the beginning of the end of their socialized medicine and the start of something great for them. (But, where will Americans go for their lasik surgery??? LOL)

3 posted on 06/09/2005 8:10:11 PM PDT by cantfindagoodscreenname
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To: Brilliant

We want our Hillary care.


4 posted on 06/09/2005 8:13:30 PM PDT by satchmodog9 (Murder and weather are our only news)
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To: quidnunc
["Access to a waiting list is not access to health care," the court said in its ruling.]



Good material for a tagline.
5 posted on 06/09/2005 8:14:12 PM PDT by spinestein (Access to a waiting list is not access to health care.)
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To: quidnunc

And Shrillary is so sad.


7 posted on 06/09/2005 8:39:18 PM PDT by Chu Gary (USN Intel guy 1967 - 1970)
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Canada's single payer health care system sounds lovely in practice until you discover you're put on a waiting list to get treatment unless you're critically ill. Every one has to wait their turn. There's no truer definition of socialism: spreading the misery equally. Until Canada's Supreme Court today said that's unreasonable - to keep people waiting to receive medical care. If people have inalienable rights, it follows, they, not the state, should decide what kind of health care they need. Whether this decision injects common sense into the Canadian body politic remains to be seen.

(Denny Crane: "Sometimes you can only look for answers from God and failing that... and Fox News".)
8 posted on 06/09/2005 9:40:11 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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> But, what a great ruling for Canadians! I hope this is the beginning of the end of their socialized medicine and the start of something great for them. (But, where will Americans go for their lasik surgery??? LOL)

Funny thing about that LASIK. With nearly no intervention by the health-care establishment and just enterprising doctors, LASIK and other types of refractive surgery is booming here. Prices have plummeted from a start at 3K per eye to no more than $500. They offer payment plans, the latest technology, the works. Funny how capitalism works.

But, three cheers for Canada. To shake socialized medicine is a huge step.
9 posted on 06/09/2005 9:54:50 PM PDT by Rate_Determining_Step (US Military - Draining the Swamp of Terrorism since 2001!)
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"Access to a waiting list is not access to health care," the court said in its ruling.

Do the Democrats know this?

10 posted on 06/09/2005 9:57:24 PM PDT by Polybius
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Spin it, Hillary. Tell us why liberism isn't a mental disorder.


11 posted on 06/09/2005 10:27:06 PM PDT by Digger
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Pay-as-you-go BUMP!


12 posted on 06/10/2005 6:48:45 AM PDT by ConservativeStLouisGuy (11th FReeper Commandment: Thou Shalt Not Unnecessarily Excerpt)
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Northern Exposure: A court ruling could unravel Canada’s health-care system.

By Grace-Marie Turner

The supreme court of Canada struck down a Quebec law on Thursday that had banned private health insurance for services covered under medicare, Canada's socialized health-care program.

"This is indeed a historic ruling that could substantially change the very foundations of medicare as we know it," Canadian Medical Association president Dr. Albert Schumacher said after the ruling. The ruling means that Quebec residents can pay privately for medical services, even if the services also are available in the provincial health care system.

"Access to a waiting list is not access to health care," the court said in its ruling.

A courageous Canadian doctor, Jacques Chaoulli, challenged the constitutionality of the Canadian ban on private payment. He argued that long waiting times for surgery contradict the country's constitutional guarantees of "life, liberty, and the security of the person."

He was joined in the case by his patient, Montreal businessman George Zeliotis, who waited a year for hip-replacement surgery. Zeliotis, 73, tried to skip the public queue to pay privately for the surgery but learned that was against the law. He argued that the wait was unreasonable, endangered his life, and infringed on his constitutional rights. The court agreed.

The case involved the Quebec Hospital Insurance Act and technically only applies to that province — but it will surely shake up all the other provinces, where private insurance is also banned. The court split 3-3 over whether the ban on private insurance violates the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms (the Canadian equivalent of our Bill of Rights). Clearly this was a difficult decision since the court delayed a year in issuing its verdict.

The United States has been a safety valve for Canadians unwilling or unable to tolerate the long waits for medical care in their country. Now, the Canadian government must face the music about the long waiting lines, lack of diagnostic equipment, and restrictions on access to the latest therapies, including new medicines.

According to the Canadian Broadcasting Corp., in an almost laughable defense, "Lawyers for the federal government argued the court should not interfere with the health-care system, considered 'one of Canada's finest achievements and a powerful symbol of the national identity.'" Dr. Chaoulli had persevered in spite of two lower court-rulings against him that had ruled that the limitation on individual rights was justifiable in order to prevent the emergence of a two-tier healthcare system.

Supporters of the prohibition against private contracting in Medicare in the United States should take note because our own law has the same effect, making it almost impossible for Medicare recipients to pay privately for services covered by the program.


13 posted on 06/10/2005 6:50:26 AM PDT by ConservativeStLouisGuy (11th FReeper Commandment: Thou Shalt Not Unnecessarily Excerpt)
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To: quidnunc

A blow against socialism. Take note : Jesse Jackson, Nancy Pelosi and John Conyers.


14 posted on 06/10/2005 11:25:07 AM PDT by marylandrepub1 (The Davis-Bacon Act was the first 'Living Wage Law')
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Watch at least one province try to use the "Nonwithstanding Clause" from the Charter of Rights and Freedoms to stop two-tier European Style health care from infecting Canada.
My guess is probably Ontario since medicare and the Liberal Party is practically a religion there.

BTW, yes in Canada there is a time limited override clause in the Constitution. Quebec uses it to ban English Language Outdoor Signs and advertising. They override the freedom of expression. No joke, look it up.


15 posted on 06/10/2005 3:59:54 PM PDT by rasblue (What would Barry Goldwater do?)
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