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To: Wiz
Those are all minor disputes.

Contrast all those things that you listed with the British empire in China during the 1800s and early 1900s, with the Japanese empire in China during the 1900s, with the expansion of Russia during the 1700s on, etc...Compared to other cultures, China has historically been the least expansionist.

39 posted on 06/15/2005 8:50:10 AM PDT by conserv13
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To: conserv13
Their help to the N. Koreans in the 50's was not minor. Their actions during the Vietnam conflict and after were not minor. There actions in Tibet were not minor...and their thretenings against the ROC are not minor.

I would add, given the strategic importance of the areas in question, their actions as regards the Spratley's and other areas in the China or South China Sea are also not minor...and this does not take into consideration their groing influence in Cnetral and South America and the carribean.

43 posted on 06/15/2005 8:55:26 AM PDT by Jeff Head (www.dragonsfuryseries.com)
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To: conserv13
Those are all minor disputes.

Minor!? Are you going to say colonization of Macao and Hong Kong was at the same scale for its size too?! The Japanese imperialist military regime is gone, we are talking about imperialism in modern days, not something way past in the 18th and 19th century. We are not also comparing regimes, it is about rather China is engaged in imperialism now or not, and there is an official National Defense Development Policy with the strategic border concept. What about the nuclear submarine that has went all the way down to Guam near the US naval base. That was a real challenge against the US Naval Force. Do you really believe the official announcements of China to say that it was a technical error of the submarine?
48 posted on 06/15/2005 9:04:35 AM PDT by Wiz
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To: conserv13
Compared to other cultures, China has historically been the least expansionist.

I don't seem to recall China being communist for most of its history.

52 posted on 06/15/2005 10:04:15 AM PDT by JohnnyZ (Defeat Pat DeWine, RINO Mike DeWine's son! Tom Brinkman for Congress http://www.gobrinkman.com/)
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To: conserv13

"Those are all minor disputes.

Contrast all those things that you listed with the British empire in China during the 1800s and early 1900s, with the Japanese empire in China during the 1900s, with the expansion of Russia during the 1700s on, etc...Compared to other cultures, China has historically been the least expansionist."

You've got to be kidding me. China, like any other country that has the power to do so including the US, wants as much hegemony as possible. China was non-expansionist back then because it was subordinate to other countries. Do you think that China's some sort of ethical, ideological country because it officially espouses some stupid ideology that uses imperialist as a derogatory term or says that it's against exploitation of the worker?

Ideology for them is a tool of oppression; it comes second to money and power. The same was true with the USSR. Do you think they discussed Marx in the Kremlin when forging alliances with leaders like Hafez Al-Asad, who killed his country's communists?


124 posted on 06/21/2005 12:37:26 PM PDT by anticommunist8
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