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To: dervish
"As I see it there are the Jihadist, there are the reformists, and there's the Saudi Regime which stands for the status quo."

Reformists ? How many ? 1% of the whole population ? Besides even their "reformists" don't seem to be more "progressive" than let's say average Iraqis.

"And if that were so where are the Saudi Jihadists coming from? Where did Bin Laden come from?"

What do you mean ? Do you think that Saudi royal family send them ?

"In which direction should the US try to push the regime?"

First situation in Iraq must be stabilized before US will start pushing anything in SA. Chaos in both states would be very danger.


M-n R. wrote:

"With that in mind I suppose the answer to your question as to the value of Saudi to us, absent the oil, it would be to keep the lid on the radical fundamentalists in SA by keeping the present branch of the family in control. Even though the Wahhabis operate out of there, the present rulers are probably better than their replacements will be. Clamping down completely on the radicals would imperial the rulers themselves."

I agree with him. In other words: we are right, you are wrong.
53 posted on 06/25/2005 5:52:49 AM PDT by Grzegorz 246
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To: Grzegorz 246

"Reformists ? How many ? 1% of the whole population ? "

Where do you get your numbers from? How many outspoken reformists were there in Poland under the Soviet system? Did that number represent the portion of the population who wanted to throw the Communists out?

Me: "And if that were so where are the Saudi Jihadists coming from? Where did Bin Laden come from?"

You: What do you mean ? Do you think that Saudi royal family send them ?

What did you mean when you claimed that the people will be deprived of oil revenues in SA, be impoverished, and be placated by - It's Allah's will. Which people? The Jihadists, the regime supporters, or the 1% you claim are reformists?

Me: "In which direction should the US try to push the regime?"

You: First situation in Iraq must be stabilized before US will start pushing anything in SA. Chaos in both states would be very danger.

You did not answer.

"to keep the lid on the radical fundamentalists in SA by keeping the present branch of the family in control."

Great. So the policy that failed and caused 9/11 is the same policy you are advocating now. That puts you in the camp with the likes of John Kerry and Ted Kennedy.

The answer is that without oil the Saudis are worth nothing to us. The question is what is their oil worth to us. The answer - much less than they would have you believe. And much less than the deference they are given by our government.

To me what is Saudi oil worth is a serious existential question.


67 posted on 06/25/2005 7:27:16 AM PDT by dervish (multilateralism is the lowest common denominator)
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