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Too Good to Play
fox news ^ | June 23, 2005

Posted on 06/25/2005 6:51:06 AM PDT by kiki04

Too Good to Play Thursday, June 23, 2005 A team of 11- and 12-year-old baseball players has been kicked out of its league — for being too good. Earlier this month, the Stars of Columbus, Ohio, were taken off the Canal Winchester Joint Recreation District's (search) schedule, and their $150 entry fee was refunded, reports The Columbus Dispatch. The 14 boys only joined the suburban league in early May, but since then had creamed every other team that faced them — 18-0, 13-0, 24-0, 10-2 and 17-6. "I called up the league office and said, 'No way are we going to play them,'" Terry Morris, who coaches another team in the division, told The Dispatch. "I wasn't going to subject my players to that." Pretty soon, all scheduled games were canceled, and the Stars found themselves orphaned. "I don't think it's fair," said Stars catcher and pitcher Michael Allston, who at 12 stands 5-foot-8. "We always played our best, and we were just winning games." "

[Another] team told us they didn't want their boys' self-esteem battered," said Trina Cochran, mother of 11-year-old Stars player Mario Cochran. "Our boys went into this with a good attitude," said Darla Perry, whose son R.J., 11, weighs 155 pounds. "It's turned into a disaster." Opponents' parents charged that the Stars' players were older than they claimed to be and that they were actually an "all-star" team culled from across Columbus. In return, the Stars' parents began bringing birth certificates to games, as well as documents showing that all but one of the boys lived in the same ZIP code. League officials and other teams' coaches are unrepentant. "They were just beating the rec kids up," said Michael Mirones, the league's board chairman. "It's no fun for the kids that are losing."

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Can't hurt anyone's self-esteem, or let children learn how to lose now can we...
1 posted on 06/25/2005 6:51:07 AM PDT by kiki04
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To: kiki04

Here in the Allentown area, the public schools were so ticked off because the Catholic schools kicked their butts in football despite lopsided financial resources. Of course, they had to break up the league and guess what they got, mediocre games, they succeeded in destroying a great league in the Lehigh Valley.


2 posted on 06/25/2005 6:56:55 AM PDT by Bossy Gillis
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To: kiki04

I thought little league was about playing not winning and losing. Silly me.


3 posted on 06/25/2005 6:57:19 AM PDT by Personal Responsibility (The early bird may get the worm but it's the second mouse that gets the cheese.)
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To: kiki04

Is this team going to go to the LLWS? They should get that chance.


4 posted on 06/25/2005 7:00:52 AM PDT by phoenix0468 (http://www.mylocalforum.com -- Go Speak Your Mind.)
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To: kiki04
What amazes me with parents that wish to insulate themselves and their children from real world application "David v Goliath" principle is that they would not be living the life they are now in the USA had not a bunch of men in the mid to late 1700's decided to take on the Goliath British Empire.

What ungrateful, selfish, fearful fellow citizens we have in this country.

5 posted on 06/25/2005 7:02:45 AM PDT by tahiti
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To: kiki04

What a bunch of whiners. I coach my son's team, he's 12. He's one of the best pitchers at his age in the area. Why is he that good? Practice, Practice, and more practice. He loves the game. It's not this teams fault that while they are hitting the field to practice, the other teams are taking up space on the sofa watching spongebob.


6 posted on 06/25/2005 7:04:28 AM PDT by TGOGary
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To: kiki04

That's probably why the left were against the war in Iraq - America was too good!!


7 posted on 06/25/2005 7:06:57 AM PDT by Irish_Thatcherite (EU crisis? What EU crisis?)
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To: kiki04

umm guys there is a bit more to this story than just self esteem.

The kids on the all star team (and it was) was stealing bases when up by more than 15 runs. Sure it isn't illegal, but that isn't something you generally do. Winning big is one thing, but running up the score is quite another. These kids, along with their typcial little league parents (who have the typcial little league parent syndrome), were running up the scores on EVERYONE.


8 posted on 06/25/2005 7:07:19 AM PDT by MikefromOhio
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To: TGOGary

it IS their fault that the kids coaches wanted to steal bases when up by 15 plus runs.

The kids dont know any better, but the coaches do.


9 posted on 06/25/2005 7:08:04 AM PDT by MikefromOhio
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"I wasn't going to subject my players to that."

Why not? He obvisouly subjected them to bad coaching.

Ohio is being thrown to the leftist wolves. We were up there recently, just north of Columbus, union country. It was chock full of self-centered Godless leftists.


10 posted on 06/25/2005 7:09:51 AM PDT by kenth
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To: MikeinIraq

I don't know an awful lot about baseball....


11 posted on 06/25/2005 7:10:03 AM PDT by Irish_Thatcherite (EU crisis? What EU crisis?)
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To: phoenix0468; MikeinIraq
The team might be a killer team in recreation ball, but against competitive teams in organized Little League, Babe Ruth, or Cal Ripkin they might not fare as well. I'm just a little suspicious about the story. Now perhaps they don't have organized leagues other than recreation leagues. If that's the case, it's too bad and I wish the team the best of luck finding games to qualify for local, state, and regional competition.
13 posted on 06/25/2005 7:16:31 AM PDT by Enterprise (Thus sayeth our rulers - "All your property is mine." - - - Kelo vs New London)
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To: MikeinIraq

I agree with that. However, there have been games where blue fails to call the game. Just because we are winning 12-2 does not mean I should tell my players to just quit trying.


14 posted on 06/25/2005 7:18:22 AM PDT by TGOGary
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"....team told us they didn't want their boys' self-esteem battered,..."

The district is now addressing systemic 'self esteem' problems in academic grading. Happy faces and warm/fuzzies are favored to replace the 'Nazi' like percentile system and the board has commissioned a study to offer 'race neutral' happy face options.
15 posted on 06/25/2005 7:18:37 AM PDT by ncountylee (Dead terrorists smell like victory)
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To: MikeinIraq

WHiiine!


16 posted on 06/25/2005 7:25:01 AM PDT by Arkie2 (No, I never voted for Bill Clinton. I don't plan on voting Republican again!)
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To: MikeinIraq
I'd need to see your proof of all star status - just turning up with very good kids from the defined area would not count unless they'd dumped a bunch of players and recruited specifically to replace them with power.

But I'd also never teach a kid to quit just because he or she was either winning big or losing big, they are measuring thmeslves against one another as much as against the other team.

Besides, which is more embarrasing, being beat 16 zip, or watching the other side just screw off because they knew you'd never get close?

17 posted on 06/25/2005 7:31:42 AM PDT by norton (build a wall and post the rules at the gate)
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To: kiki04
I have mixed feelings about this one. Sure, it's not about winning, all things being equal. But... and a very important "but", it's not about pretending that the primary element that controls winning doesn't matter.
That's why, for example, I see absolutely no "skill" or special status for players in pro-basketball, all of whom hover around 7 feet, in a game invented when the average player was under 5'-8".
Raise the basket 2 feet and then, for me, it might restore some element of skill to the "sport".

I see no particular claim to satisfaction in a football team of up-to 12 year olds, where the average player weighs 200 pounds.

Competition is a great thing if managed properly. I remember in High school there were Four levels of teams in most sports: 120s, 130s, Junior Varsity and Varsity, with no upward restrictions: if a player weighed 100 pounds and could hold his own or better playing varsity basketball, in he went, but the reverse was never true. No matter how bad a 7-footer 200-pounder played anything, he could never play 120. Whatever happened to common sense?

18 posted on 06/25/2005 7:34:12 AM PDT by Publius6961 (The most abundant things in the universe are ignorance, stupidity and hydrogen)
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To: kiki04

As is populalry cited, Little League is as much for the parents that are living vicariously through their kids as the for the kids themselves. The other side of this story is that a small set of parents who assembled an ego-bruising Dream Team was rputed out of the League by a bigger set of parents with bruised egos.


19 posted on 06/25/2005 7:39:11 AM PDT by BradyLS (DO NOT FEED THE BEARS!)
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To: BradyLS

rputed = routed


20 posted on 06/25/2005 7:41:25 AM PDT by BradyLS (DO NOT FEED THE BEARS!)
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