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To: Politicalities
Doubt it all you want, it's still true.

Got proof?

You don't see people committing robberies to buy cigarettes, and you don't see flourishing black markets in cigarettes, because cigarettes are legal and (relatively) cheap.

If cigarettes were made illegal tomorrow, I doubt you'd see people who were purchasing black market cigarettes raping women and throwing them out windows because they were under the influence of tobacco. It's a nice effort, but your comparison is not valid.

The pharmaceutical cost of heroin is about $0.02 per dose.

Do you honestly think it would sell for anywhere near that?

No, I think the drug lords will lose their source of funding and become powerless, just as the alcohol gangs of the Prohibition era faded away when that insane policy ended.

You honestly think they faded away when prohibition ended? I'd like to see some proof of that. Every history I've read indicates that bootleggers became purveyors of other 'goodies' once prohibition was repealed.

140 posted on 07/05/2005 11:17:41 AM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: MEGoody
Got proof?

Uh... the fact that very very few people commit property crimes to buy a $5 six-pack?

If cigarettes were made illegal tomorrow, I doubt you'd see people who were purchasing black market cigarettes raping women and throwing them out windows because they were under the influence of tobacco. It's a nice effort, but your comparison is not valid.

I wasn't talking about crimes committed under the influence, I was talking about crimes committed to get funds to purchase. And if cigarettes were made illegal tomorrow, I guarantee you'd see a jump in property crimes as desperate addicts tried to afford the suddenly much more expensive price of their addictions.

As for the "raping women and throwing them out windows" crap, you've got a vastly overinflated idea of the power of drugs... and you're committing a very basic fallacy in that you're assuming that rare abuses justify prohibition. Hey, people use cars to escape from crimes... let's ban cars! After all, if criminals couldn't use getaway cars, there'd be fewer crimes, wouldn't there? Who cares about the tremendous societal costs such a ban on motor vehicles would impose?

The pharmaceutical cost of heroin is about $0.02 per dose.

Do you honestly think it would sell for anywhere near that?

Heck no. It'd sell at the price determined by the free market... you know, supply, demand, competition, all that sort of thing. Do you honestly think that the free market price wouldn't be much, much lower than the black market price? Do you honestly think that black markets don't result in tremendously overinflated prices, especially when billions of dollars are spent on enforcement?

You honestly think they faded away when prohibition ended?

I honestly think that Prohibition-related crime disappeared when Prohibition ended. That's pretty much a tautology.

Read the rest of my post, dear, and you'll see where your mind went blank. It seems you still haven't been able to focus long enough to read the entire post.

I'm not your "dear", and my mind isn't blank. Yours, however, is badly clouded. You seem to think that 1) drugs take control of everybody who uses them and forces them to do bad things, and 2) prohibition is a good way to deal with the illusory problem, no matter the cost.

Do you think all the little gang members will go back to school, study hard and become productive citizens?

Some of them will. The ones who chose to remain criminals will find fewer criminal opportunities, and much less income with which to fund their activities.

173 posted on 07/05/2005 11:49:17 AM PDT by Politicalities (http://www.politicalities.com)
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To: MEGoody
You honestly think they [alcohol gangs] faded away when prohibition ended? I'd like to see some proof of that.

Didn't crime drop substantially after the repeal of Prohibition, and remain low until the mid-60's?

197 posted on 07/05/2005 12:19:49 PM PDT by Ken H
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