China Debuts Aegis Destroyers

SIGNAL: AFCEA Official Publication ^ | July 2005 | James C. Bussert

[lewislynn]

What were you saying about not being clever?...Don't underestimate your (potential) enemy.

[stainlessbanner]

Good catch. I was looking for where the US gave China Aegis technology. It appears to be similar technology to the Aegis, but not the same.

[Non-Sequitur]

If the Clinton's are guilty of sending Aegis technology to the Chinese than they are guilty of treason.

Read the article. It clearly states that the ships have a Russian phased array radar system. It's use of the word Aegis is confusing.

[Nabber]

Invasion of Taiwan?

China doesn't have enough landing craft or amphibious carriers.

Any opposition, at all, by the US Navy, would have the Chinese calling off any invasion.

[Kuehn12]

I made the guess already, I was reacting to a few posts that blamed the Clinton for the Chinese advancements as though the Chinese were incapable of advancement on their own.

[Calpernia]

ping

[Kuehn12]

I grant you that Carter may have been inept, but I can't say I was to young to make a judgment. I became political aware during the latter part of the last Reagan administration.

[TomasUSMC]

I hope the Commies spend all their cash and build 100 of them. Nice easy targets for our Missiles. Radar is great, it tells you how many missiles are coming to kill you. But you can always shoot more missiles faster than the ship can respond too. Go China.

See the Movie Deterrence.

[Wristpin]

Is it me or is the use of frequencies, Nato names and ELNOTS in this article really pushing the classification edge?

[topher]

It what these ships don't have will have them destroyed in two minutes.

Vampires can kill you. Also, there are different types of stealth and detection technologies that a fleet system must have.

They must have anti-ship-missile capability. Otherwise, this is just a target ship for the first 5 or 6 incoming missiles.

And there are other threats besides sea skimming missiles.

Even a theoretical high flying missile they could not stop. Such a missile might deploy 5 or 6 guided bombs from 50,000 feet a mile away.

And the combination of 5 or 6 incoming sea skilling missiles and 5 or 6 high flying missiles leaves few alternatives.

Vampire attack was something that was used in the cold war in the 1980's.

The US has both Aegis Cruisers, Destroyers, and also frigates, besides aircraft carriers as well as other ships.

A high flying E2C or AWACS could monitor the attack and aid it at a stand off distance, as well as perhaps unknown UAV's.

And that does not even begin to introduce what has to be done for ECM.

Then another type of sea skimming missile could be launched that drops a torpedo at a standoff distance.

Now you have underwater threats, high altitude threats, and ultra low altitude threats.

And then that does not even take into account other types of sneaky ways to attack the rapidly sinking Chinese Junk.

(I wonder why they call Chinese boats junks?)

[BIGLOOK]

Thanks Calpernia! Interesting ship.....interesting battle!

[Steve Van Doorn]

"I grant you that Carter may have been inept, but I can't say I was to young to make a judgment."

Oh, I was kinda young when Alexander the great made his way to Asia but I still think he was a military genius.

[staytrue]

I am with you. FR needs more respect for differing opinons and a more civil discussion of issues.

Hang in there, stick to the facts and don't let the wolf packs who try to seek and destroy dissent, get to you.

[CGVet58]

...which is what those serial numbers would be good for, I would think.

Have wondered if in these G8 and other bigwig meetings, our guys don't casually spread the word, unofficial-like, that notes belonging to X party are not considered to be transferrable, hinting along the way that any actions taken by X percieved to be an attack/attempt against our country could result in our not honoring the markers "X" holds against us.

Of course, such an act would be against the spirit of fiduciary objectiveness which supposedly is built into the system... part of the reason the US Economy is the biggest and most solid on the planet is the faith that we guarantee (as much as can be...) those bills. Such an act would no doubt shake that guarantee with obvious results.

But such acts have also happened, and in the recent past, and been conducted by countries who've endeavored to place their financial standing on the same footing/trust as the United States. Think France defaulting on debt to the US post WWII (other countries may have as well, i think). Yes, I know, using France is a terrible example, but it did happen, and absent the affects of the vichy social-economy experiment (certainly a different topic) we do business with them, they have an economy, conduct loans/investment abroad and in their country.

If anything, today's information world has resulted in one key change: higher levels of education/knowledge about how the world works than ever before, for example seeing a middle-class now become an investor class (previously a small and guarded elite).

These people not only understand better the intricacies of economies and investment, but the underlying premise of what makes an economy run. At their most basic level, economies run on trust. This trust is most obviously displayed in the faith an investor/loaner has that his investment will be treated in good faith.

This "good faith" is a two way street - the beneficiary of the investment must trust the loaner enough to know that the loan "won't be called in" before the previously agreed-upon schedule - and that's what a Tnote does.

If the Chicoms or anybody else thinks that they've got us by the short ones by holding so much of our paper, and think they can damage us by calling in the marker, well they'd be correct; there would be damage... but it cuts both ways, and they would suffer the larger gash.

I think today's middle-class investors, huge in numbers if not individual accounts, know this two-way trust relationship, and know it better than all those talking heads (who seem to only focus on one aspect of this trust). If the chinese get funny, Joe six-pack will know why... and ultimately lay his chips and fortune with the US.

Well, enough of my lay approach to this stuff... I say F$%K the chicoms.

[sukhoi-30mki]

Some websites say that the phased array radars were jointly developed with a Ukranian research facility.There is little logic behind the fact that China got such systems from Russia for buying the Varyag,which the Chinese probably have no intention of making operational.If that was the case,they would have looked at SU-33s & AEW systems.

The interesting thing about these ships is the very limited numbers being built which makes it pretty unique from all other Chinese military procurements be it tanks,subs or transport aircraft.My own guess is that this radar system needs finetuning or that they are bidding their time to buy the various European systems around like the Italian EMPAR & French HERAKLES.

[Euro-American Scum]

Must be all that technology we offshored to them that they were too stupid to figure out.

[griffin]

"You notice I didn't call names or invoke stupid imagery to make my point."

Xlinton butt kissin' Commie!! :)

[Kuehn12]

Real productive guy, why don't you go back to school and learn a different way to express yourself.

They have ears and hear not, and they have eyes and see not. It is better to look dumb rather than to open your mouth and remove all doubt. These are the most apt sayings which fit those who rather call someone names than bring a strong argument to the court of public opinion.

[JasonC]

"complicates planning"

Yep. Now our SSNs have to fire off two torpedos before the CVNs sweep the sea.

[75thOVI]

This ship is not a submarine, there for it is a ........? Guesses, anyone?