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Vanity: Dad's conversations with Muslim shop owner about London bombing (chilling wake up call)
vanity | 9 July 2005 | NZerFromHK

Posted on 07/08/2005 7:13:25 PM PDT by NZerFromHK

My father owns a business in the CBD area here in Auckland. We have a shop selling Persian rugs next to us and the owner is Iranian himself. He is a moderate Muslim (yep, the MSM definition of it no less) and seems to be very nice to us and other nearby shops' owners. Dad had this conversation with the owner yesterday regarding the London bombing:

Dad: Did you read the papers this morning?

Owner: Yes, a big news event.

Dad: It's sad, isn't it?

Owner: Well, the British got it upon themselves. You know that Americans and British have killed many of us Muslims!

Dad: Do you really mean it? All the people died there are innocent deaths!

Owner: But they have killed many Muslims as a nation!

Dad:...

Owner: So, what do you think about it.

Dad: It's a complicated matter.

(And then he switched to another topic)

And he was fuming over dinner last night. He is a conservative like me, but because he doesn't want to get into argument due to traditional Chinese sense of politeness in conversation, he did not refute the shop owner's words in his face.

It serves as a wake up call for me. I have always imagined the moderate Muslims know the stakes, but now I have to reevaluate whether I could trust even many of the moderate Muslims in light of this conversation.


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To: NZerFromHK
Owner: Well, the British got it upon themselves. You know that Americans and British have killed many of us Muslims!

If this is a moderate Muslim, I'd hate to see an extreme one.

101 posted on 07/08/2005 11:50:52 PM PDT by Euro-American Scum (A poverty-stricken middle class must be a disarmed middle class)
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To: SIDENET

Interesting isn't it?


102 posted on 07/08/2005 11:50:57 PM PDT by ladyinred
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To: mikeus_maximus; NZerFromHK; Arjun; CarrotAndStick
It's members of one group of people who are perpetrating this mass murder. It's not Indian Muslims or African Muslims-- It's Arab Muslims.

REally? So the muslimes from the Indian sub-continent (Pakistan, Bangaldesh) aren't involved in the slaughter of innocent Indian Hindus, Christians, Buddhists, Sikhs etc.? They had nothing to do with the bombings in Ayodhya a couple of days ago or the bomb blasts in Bombay that occured in 1993 (eerily similar to the London blasts, only more deadlier) ? And the Mooselimbs in the southern Phillipines who slaughter Christians or the ones in southern Thailand that behead buddhists or the ones in Indonesia that burn Christians and Christian churches or the ones in Nigeria that do the same. Those aren't to blame, eh? And the Turkish Mooselimbs that perpetrate crimes, those aren't to blame? NO. it is NOT an ethnic problem -- Issslam IS the problem. period.
103 posted on 07/08/2005 11:52:01 PM PDT by Cronos (Never forget 9/11)
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To: Capriole; muawiyah

you got it right -- according to these scum you and I deserve to die as we aren't Mooselimbs.


104 posted on 07/08/2005 11:52:51 PM PDT by Cronos (Never forget 9/11)
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To: NZerFromHK
"Chilling wakeup call"?? Hardly. Your dad barely said two words, and evaded confrontation.

Our wake-up call was on 9/11.

105 posted on 07/08/2005 11:54:43 PM PDT by Windsong (FighterPilot)
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To: NZerFromHK

"I have always imagined the moderate Muslims know the stakes, but now I have to reevaluate whether I could trust even many of the moderate Muslims in light of this conversation."

The difference between a "moderate Muslim" and a "Muslim extremist" is that the militant extremist wants to kill you, while the moderate just wants you dead. Now do you understand?


106 posted on 07/08/2005 11:59:16 PM PDT by Gum Shoe
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To: NZerFromHK

I bet thousands of us have had that same conversation. Mine was with a Christian Arab, but it sounded exactly the same.
Now, if we had nuked a couple of those muslim countries, like Iran and Syria back on 9/12, the conversation would have been different.

Hey, did you hear about the Bombings.

Oh yeah. Seems like the people have finally risen up against the Royalty in Saudi Arabia.

Yes, its about time.


107 posted on 07/09/2005 12:14:56 AM PDT by TomasUSMC (FIGHT LIKE WW2, FINISH LIKE WW2. FIGHT LIKE NAM, FINISH LIKE NAM.)
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To: sheik yerbouty

I remember a really big hit by crosby stills nash and young "Love the One You're With!"

"if you can't be with the one you love, honey, love the one you're with... "

or such.

I suppose with slammies its more like "If you can't kill the one you hate, just kill the one you're with?"


108 posted on 07/09/2005 12:48:07 AM PDT by eccl1212
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To: NZerFromHK

I'm sorry to say this, and of course the shopkeeper is just one person, but the bottom line is: these people are NOT to be trusted. Lying to non-Muslims is part of their religion, they basically have no civilization, and they are truly bent on a global jihad to kill all non-Muslims and heck, a hell of a lot of Muslims too.

We can fully expect this war to continue, and broaden, an worsen. I'm sure that most of us don't want to destroy their religion, but it may well prove to be a necessity, as de-Nazification was requried in Germany.

And, as for the Jews, let's face a fact folks, what the Palis are doing to the Israelis the jihadis are doing to the rest of us. Look at Thailand, the Thais are too peace loving, they are going to have to start kicking butt down there.

Bush is doing a good job, he got it started. But it's going to take someone a hell of a lot meaner to finish this job.


109 posted on 07/09/2005 1:15:35 AM PDT by jocon307 (Can we close the border NOW?)
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To: NZerFromHK; shaggy eel
In case anyone would kid you otherwise:
ISLAM IS THE BEAST
"MODERATE ISLAM" IS ITS TROJAN HORSE.

[ETA AKL NZ 07/14/2005 -- B A]

110 posted on 07/09/2005 2:51:24 AM PDT by Brian Allen (All that is required to ensure the triumph [of evil] is that Good Men do nothing -- Edmund Burke)
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To: eccl1212

That's about the size of it..


111 posted on 07/09/2005 3:03:30 AM PDT by sheik yerbouty
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To: sam_whiskey

Islam believes that their people who commit these savage crimes are really martyrs ,who will have all of their sins forgiven and a home in Paradise with 72 perpetual virgins.
We now have these savages within our own country, and so I expect more terrorism here and abroad. for we have planted these evil seeds in our own country.

I wish someone would tell us why that immigration has done this to us, for I feel that it is a crime against us.


112 posted on 07/09/2005 4:42:11 AM PDT by tessalu
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To: NZerFromHK
You know that Americans and British have killed many of us Muslims!

NOT ENOUGH!

113 posted on 07/09/2005 4:46:14 AM PDT by jslade ("If at first you don't succeed, destroy all evidence that you tried.")
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To: NZerFromHK

I heard a kid down in Roxboro tell me that he and his mom went to a corner store on 9-11. The Arab store owner was watching 9-11 on TV, laughing, gloating, and drinking beer. I reported him to the FBI because I could not talk the mother and son into reporting him.

You should report that Iranian to the FBI, or perhaps some other branch of Homeland Defense. They won't send you a word of thanks. It's doubtful they would even respond. But they need all the background info on potential terrorists they can get. As far as I'm concerned, that was suspicious. We are in a war, and he openly sided with the enemy. His name might pop up somewhere else, or his address. And your background info could be helpful. FRegards....


114 posted on 07/09/2005 4:46:57 AM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March (<<< Ad Campaign for Durbin the Turban in profile)
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To: NZerFromHK
I've said it before...

The 99% of Muslims who are hateful murderers and their tacit allies really ruin it for the other 1%.

Of course, ALL Muslims are not Islamists:
An Islamist wants to kill you.
A Muslim merely wants you dead.

Like Benjamin Netanyahu said, "The Muslims have the will but lack the means to destroy us.
We have the means but lack the will to destroy them."

I believe that sooner or later, we will have to use nuclear weapons on Mecca and Medina to try to bring the Muslims into the 21st Century. There is no escaping this sad eventuality.

The nuclear solution worked wonders on the Japanese some sixty years ago, let's give it a chance in the far more diabolical Islamic world.

Just 60 short years ago, Japan was following a false religion, attacking its neighbors and carrying out large numbers of suicide bombings among other atrocities. Two nukes on their cities and now they're the nicest people in all of Asia and make the coolest electronic goodies.

Just like with other vicious cancers, the nuclear treatment is only one PROVEN to work every time.
(Radiation therapy).


The best part about it is...
After we have nuked the entire Middle East and all that remains is a flat layer of crackling, smokey, fused green glass...
the oil underneath it all is still perfectly usable!

</rant>

115 posted on 07/09/2005 4:57:01 AM PDT by Bon mots
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To: jocon307

"I'm sure that most of us don't want to destroy their religion, but it may well prove to be a necessity, as de-Nazification was requried in Germany."

I believe we will enter a new phase in this war at some point. All the wimps will be tossed to the back of the political bus. Unfortunately, the next phase will most likely be triggered by another 9-11.


116 posted on 07/09/2005 5:03:06 AM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March (<<< Ad Campaign for Durbin the Turban in profile)
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To: Wuli

You hit it on the head. It is their universal mindset period. And as long as they are able to make any progress in the West, it will feed this mindset positively. The only way to be rid of the problem is to accept the fact that they all must be deported and kept in check. Anyone who doesn't understand their society and culture need to read the history on them. It is, in the end, dreadful.

I can't understand why the West, unless it is because it has lost it's JudeoChristian sensibilites, would tolerate this ideology (it's not much of a religion other than what it lifted from the Jews and Christians at the time of its formation). We wouldn't let Nazis or Communists into our country, why Muslims? Have they got the whole Western world conned or is it cowed? It understands one thing; raw power and it's use..the only way to defeat them is destroy them. Read history, again.


117 posted on 07/09/2005 5:18:38 AM PDT by john drake (roman military maxim: "oderint dum metuant, i.e., let them hate, as long as they fear")
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To: NZerFromHK
My gosh...

Right out of Nazi Germany... (The Jews brought it on themselves.)

We are at war.

118 posted on 07/09/2005 5:47:20 AM PDT by Northern Yankee (Freedom Needs A Soldier)
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To: NZerFromHK
Religion for $500 please.

What religion teaches its faithful it is ok to lie, cheat, steal from non-believers and endorses the killing of those non-believers if they refuse to convert.

119 posted on 07/09/2005 5:57:05 AM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: NZerFromHK
I think it's pretty obvious by now that many Muslims quietly support the terrorists.

I believe that all non-Muslims have a right to be suspicious of all Muslims and should watch them closely.

Muslims are the only ones who can restore their image in the world. They have allowed it to be tarnished and only they can clean it up. Will they?

120 posted on 07/09/2005 6:13:05 AM PDT by RightWinger
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