Vanity: Dad's conversations with Muslim shop owner about London bombing (chilling wake up call)

vanity | 9 July 2005 | NZerFromHK

[GOPJ]

It serves as a wake up call for me. I have always imagined the moderate Muslims know the stakes, but now I have to reevaluate whether I could trust even many of the moderate Muslims in light of this conversation.

He doesn't sound like a "moderate" Muslim to me. He sounds like a flat out nutcase.

[pepsionice]

Check this "moderate Muslim's" mosque. Was it paid for by the Saudi's? And is there a Saudi trained Mullah in charge? If so, he ain't a moderate...and he might be something more than a wolf in sheeps clothing. For anyone who hasn't figured this out yet (hint: the Pentagon, the CIA, and GW)...the Saudis are directly behind all terrorist issues. Failure to admit so is absolute incompetence. When the Brits find the guy or guys who planted the bombs...I'll bet that the dude is tied to a Saudi-backed Mosque, and has a Saudi trained Mullah. This just leads into a circle...and no one wants to admit what is absolute fact.

[txgirl4Bush]

YOU ARE CORRECT MOONDOGGIE, THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A MODERATE MUSLIM.

[crowman]

Since they will destroy us for no good reason, what say we just remove Mecca and give them a real reason...?

[brazzaville]

Good evening.
"When the goal is universal acceptance of sheria, what is "moderation"?"

Moderates would favor letting our women live. Extremists probably would, too.

Michael Frazier

[eccl1212]

halal?
As in 'sanctified,' 'holy' or 'kosher' in christo-judeo terms?

but it begs the question? how do they consider what sadaam did, halal?

I know that requires a reasoned answer and theira insano religionist wackjobs are anything BUT reasonable. I guess I should just be sorry I asked.

[BP2]

It's because of suspicions like this moderate Muslim generates that one day (God help us), if MILLIONS of Americans die from a nuke or bio weapon, that Muslims will be in internment camps, just like the Japanese in WWII.

Muslim internment camps WILL happen if something that bad happens in the US. Mark my words.

[eccl1212]

hallelujah.
bring it on.
the sooner the better,
the more of them deader.
the safer we are.

[Texas Mom]

Well, the British got it upon themselves. You know that Americans and British have killed many of us Muslims!

More Muslims have killed Muslims. Hasn't this jerk heard about the mass graves and the torture chambers as well as the women who are stoned or beheaded. There are no Muslim countries who get along with their neighbors. There is and always will be Muslims killing Muslims.

[paul51]

...they have killed many Muslims ...

Apparently not enough

[mercy]

Welcome to reality.

[my_pointy_head_is_sharp]

bump

[Arizona Carolyn]

I think its a lot more personal than most people are willing to admit. I'm sick of commentators prefacing with *not all muslims are like this.* The fact is unless you are a muslim, in their eyes you are an infidel and they are told to covert Christians to Islam or kill them there is no other choice!

They are flooding into Europe at a rate equal to the Hispanics flooding into the USA and in both cases for the same reasons -- cheap labor! In the end, cheap labor may be the least of all business problems.

[sheik yerbouty]

They're OK with Muslims killing other muslims if they cannot kill us infidels.

[America's Resolve]

Sounds like you need to keep 3 things in mind, if I may be so bold:

#1) I remember back to when the french oil tanker was bombed off the coast of Aiden Yemen in 2002, the Limberg or something like that. They caught the monsters who did it and when they were interrogating one of them, he said, "Well, of course we'd rather have had a US Destroyer, but that's ok, they're all infidels."

You're only an infidel, as is your father, your children, your grand children, your grandchildren's grandchildren into the next 100,000,000 years of humanity. We're all just infidels that Islam hasn't gotten around to killing yet.

#2) If you haven't learned the lesson of 911 yet, you never will. The mission wasn't to kill 3000 people. it was to kill 25,000+ people. It was just bad luck that the buildings stood up that long in muslim eyes. THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A MODERATE MUSLIM.

The lesson of 911 is this, as expressed so eloquently by another freeper: "Everyting I ever needed to learn about Islam, I learned on 9/11." REMEMBER IT!MEMORIZE IT! NEVER FORGET!

#3) These murdering butchers are the children of Islam through and through. They're raised by islam. They're taught by Islam. They're trained by Islam. They're financed by Islam. They're armed by islam. They're eqpuipped by Islam. They're fully supported by islam in every way. What matter a few words of condemnation when something happens. The truth is in the actions, not the words. They may condemn it, but that's just a smoke screen. EVERY ONE OF THEM CHEERS IT ON THE INSIDE!

Godspeed

[zerosix]

Maybe you might advise your dad to ask his Iranian shop neighbor, who he believes have killed the most Muslims, Christians, Jews or other Muslims.

Then he needs to be prepared with the truth - other Muslims. Oh, he will counter that with, "But they have deserved killing because of Sharia Law of the Koran . . ."

Follow up with something like this, "Well, are you saying that Saddam Hussein, a Sunni, used the Koran when he raped, tortured and killed the Shiites? Were his sons using the Koran when they ordered the torture and killing of Iraqi athletes, because they disapproved of the performance of the athletes - exactly where in the Koran does the law order torture and killing of athletes because of their performance?"

[Ronin]

Explain Bali, then.

[Cronos]

It serves as a wake up call for me. I have always imagined the moderate Muslims know the stakes, but now I have to reevaluate whether I could trust even many of the moderate Muslims in light of this conversation.

You shouldn't. Anyone who thinks that:

1. The US and UK kills innocent Muslims (like AlQ members) and
2. Innocents in those countries are good targets just because they are citizens of those countries

are scum who should be run out of all countries except Saudi A -- send all the 1 billion Mooselimbs there to their holey land and cleanse the world of this disease

[Cronos]

Sounds like the guy should stop trying to have a conversation with a Persian. Besides those guys equate the Chinese with the Mongols who invaded a couple of times and began exterminating those who raised the slightest objection to anything.

Yes, the Persians who live in Auckland hate Chinese thinking that they are Mongols who invaded Persia 800 years ago..... /sarcasm

[Cronos]

I'm glad to see more and more people are realising this truth:
We live & work very close to one of the largest populations of muslims in the United States and come into contact with them almost daily. NEVER trust them. They don't trust us, they don't like us, even if they say they do, or act like they do. There is NO SUCH THING as a moderate muslim.