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--> The Cult of Evolution – the Opiate of the Atheists
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Posted on 08/16/2005 11:23:20 AM PDT by woodb01

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To: bluepistolero
Good grief, it's just a thread.

Congratulations. You are the first person on you side to protest against the obscenities being posted by someone claiming to be on your side.

I have been wondering if Sir was a DU plant, joined up to make Christians look bad. He certainly has tried.

721 posted on 08/18/2005 5:27:44 AM PDT by js1138 (Science has it all: the fun of being still, paying attention, writing down numbers...)
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To: wallcrawlr

A very interesting perspective, and one I don't share.

To me faith is important, I don't joke about someone losing theirs. If they think something I did had a negative impact on them I will do the best I can to ameliorate the situation.

At the very least I will express sympathy when it happens "on my watch" so to speak. And anyone who jokes about it will be called out.


722 posted on 08/18/2005 5:36:43 AM PDT by From many - one.
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To: Dimensio; GSHastings
An explanation that can't be hypothetically falsified is fundamentally worthless because there's no way to determine what qualifies as evidence for your argument.

An explanation that can "handle" any finding at all is not an explanation. It is not telling you anything about the world. It may appear to have some sort of content. ("The world is a dream being dreamt by a giant turtle!" "The world was made Last Thursday with all of our memories intact!") However, it tells you nothing about what you can expect to see, nothing at all about what you can rule out ever seeing.

723 posted on 08/18/2005 5:39:14 AM PDT by VadeRetro (Liberalism is a cancer on society. Creationism is a cancer on conservatism.)
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To: From many - one.

When you say "faith". Please define that for me.

I am not going to be an appeaser. I expect people to mature in their faith. I expect Christians to know why they are saved. Knowing why you are saved will stand up against any offense by man. No matter if its as slight as what we are discussing or being asked to die for your faith.

God tells us to mature in our faith. If Christians dont, then they are on the wide path and its no ones fault but their own.

Hbr 5:11 Concerning him [Jesus] we have much to say, and {it is} hard to explain, since you have become dull of hearing.
Hbr 5:12 For though by this time you ought to be teachers, you have need again for someone to teach you the elementary principles of the oracles of God, and you have come to need milk and not solid food.
Hbr 5:13 For everyone who partakes {only} of milk is not accustomed to the word of righteousness, for he is an infant.
Hbr 5:14 But solid food is for the mature, who because of practice have their senses trained to discern good and evil.


724 posted on 08/18/2005 6:48:19 AM PDT by wallcrawlr (http://www.bionicear.com)
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To: bluepistolero
They could ping you when talking about you, but then I suppose, that might elicit a response from you, lol.

That is correct. It's the kind of "upright" behavior that we've all come to expect from the highbrow evolutionist men of science. Here's the typical pattern: Join the thread and make between zero and two civil posts. Begin with the ad hominem fallacy and continue until thoroughly frustrated. Finish with dismissing any poster that even questions evolution as dishonest, a liar, etc., but never actually tap into that mythical mountain of evidence that proves evolution true.

725 posted on 08/18/2005 6:50:47 AM PDT by Dataman (" conservatives are retards"- PatrickHenry)
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To: YHAOS
" Although the professor clearly is talking about abiogenesis, I don’t know that we can accuse the reporter of being a shyster."

I wasn't claiming the shyster was the reporter, I was talking about someone who says that the Harvard scientists said something they didn't and claimed something they didn't.

"The morons of the press are fully capable of misreporting most any story, but the Harvard Science Dpt’s fingerprints seem to be all over this story, it’s obvious the money is going to that department, and evolution appears to be the focus of attention."

No, the money is going to abiogenesis research, not evolutionary. Evolution is the focus of attention ONLY in the article in the AP, which included it to get flame the fans more and get a higher readership.

"I don’t think the reporter is writing anything but what he’s been told by professor Liu &c."

And you have 0% evidence of that.
726 posted on 08/18/2005 7:14:28 AM PDT by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is a grandeur in this view of life...")
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood
"1. I'm a serious person. (caballero)

2. The guy is a Marxist troll (pinchi caverone) "

Ah, very serious person you are lol And still a coward :)
And I am still laughing at you :)
727 posted on 08/18/2005 7:24:15 AM PDT by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is a grandeur in this view of life...")
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To: bluepistolero
Actually, no one said it, since according to evolutionists, people in the bible are just myths.

Not pertainent. Harry Potter may be a myth, but J K Rowling exists. So noöne, (even evolutionists) is denying that the the writer of Eccelesiastes actually existed.

728 posted on 08/18/2005 7:40:31 AM PDT by Oztrich Boy
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To: woodb01

"The Cult of Evolution – the Opiate of the Atheists"

GIVE ME A BREAK!!!

This has been beat to death again and again on this forum.
You don't have to be an atheist to believe or disbelieve in evolution, and the Bible doesn't conflcit with basic evolutionary concepts.

I believe in the Bible and I believe in evolution.

Where I and the millions of other thinking individuals who believe in Evolution and the Bible differ from those few atheist biologists who do so also is that we don't believe that multiple fortuituous "accidents" of species improvement resulted in mankind, but rather that there was some direction from God.

The latter can't be proven scientifically, but then again, nor can it be disproved. Consequently it is not a scientific issue, but a personal theological one.


729 posted on 08/18/2005 7:46:15 AM PDT by ZULU (Fear the government which fears your guns. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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To: Dimensio
How would it be relevant? Be specific.

My thinking is that if "a force that can originate life" acted at more than one point in time, then the time sequence now used is quite suspect of being accurate as a framework in which evolution occurs.

Specific example: If there are other "Burgess shale" deposits yet to be discovered that occurred at later or earlier times than we believe the actual Burgess shale to represent, that would effectively challenge the current timeline of evolution. That seems quite relevant, since time is most assuredly a key component of "change over time".

730 posted on 08/18/2005 9:12:11 AM PDT by KMJames
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To: From many - one.
I get pinged to a thread that is only about two hours old and it's alREADY got 629 replies!?!?! I ain't got THAT much TIME to goof off reading this stuff! Call me again when we celebrate something really big........
731 posted on 08/18/2005 11:19:34 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: Elsie

White Men Can't Jump

and

Elsie can't subtract.


26 hours old then.................


732 posted on 08/18/2005 11:26:24 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: wallcrawlr; From many - one.; narby
You had BETTER believe!!!!!

REPENT!!!

733 posted on 08/18/2005 11:28:36 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: furball4paws
Don't mess with ME: you'll lose your faith!
734 posted on 08/18/2005 11:36:52 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: wallcrawlr

Boo!


735 posted on 08/18/2005 11:37:35 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: Dimensio
But how can you demonstrate that intelligent design is present if you can't point to a hypothetical counterexample?

And so, your counterexample that would disprove evolution is what?

I can at least prove that intelligent design is a reality in the universe. Can you prove that evolution is a reality in the universe? How?

736 posted on 08/18/2005 12:09:38 PM PDT by GSHastings
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To: Elsie

LOL!

What is that a picture of?


737 posted on 08/18/2005 12:13:30 PM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: Elsie

"What a Difference a Day Makes"


738 posted on 08/18/2005 12:39:35 PM PDT by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: GSHastings
And so, your counterexample that would disprove evolution is what?

Precambrian rabbit fossils.

I can at least prove that intelligent design is a reality in the universe.

Which doesn't prove that the universe itself is intelligently designed.

Can you prove that evolution is a reality in the universe?

Yes. Populations of organisms can be observed to evolve. This, of course, doesn't prove the theory of evolution, because absolutley no theory in science is ever proven.
739 posted on 08/18/2005 1:13:16 PM PDT by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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To: bobdsmith
A rabbit in the cambrian would not fit evolution at all.

You say that, but since a rabbit fossil hasn't been found, you are only guessing what the response would be.

I know what they do with what they HAVE found. . .they make it fit. Example: The so called 'refutations' of Behe's book. It's all embraced by evols whether it makes sense or not.

As ridiculous as some of these are, they would all fit ID. None would fit evolution, no matter how hard anyone tried to make them.

Easy for you to say, but no evidence thus far would support your theory that evolution theory supporters in the scientific community wouldn't make them fit.

740 posted on 08/18/2005 1:36:35 PM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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