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To: GSHastings
Nothing occured here that was outside of intelligent design. An intelligence created a piece of software. An intelligence set a goal. An intelligence determined how to differentiate results that moved closer to the goal, from results that did not. An intelligence invented the algorithyms necessary to achieve the desired results. An intelligence created the hardware that was necessary to make use of the intelligently designed software.

Yes an intelligent designer produced an evolutionary process which in turn produced a complex design that said intelligent designer could not understand the workings of.

You asked for an example of an evolutionary process creating a complex design. I gave you one. Now you are quibbling over the origin of that evolutionary process as if that even matters. It doesn't matter because regardless of the origin, it is still an evolutionary process.

Look at it from the point of view of nature - Even if a Creator built cells (the hardware), DNA (the software), laws of nature (the algorithm, fitness function, etc), in order that an evolutionary process upon life occured, that would still be an evolutionary process wouldn't it? Just because the evolutionary process is intelligently designed doesn't make it any less an evolutionary process. If apes turn into man that is still evolution is it not? Even if a God-Researcher type wrote nature to do it.

457 posted on 08/16/2005 9:15:30 PM PDT by bobdsmith
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To: bobdsmith
Look at it from the point of view of nature - Even if a Creator built cells (the hardware), DNA (the software), laws of nature (the algorithm, fitness function, etc), in order that an evolutionary process upon life occured, that would still be an evolutionary process wouldn't it? Just because the evolutionary process is intelligently designed doesn't make it any less an evolutionary process. If apes turn into man that is still evolution is it not? Even if a God-Researcher type wrote nature to do it.

That depends on what the meaning of "is" is.

If by "is" still evolution you mean a process by which a series of events take place, and they are controlled by an intelligent being, with purpose and design, than YES.

If by "is" still evolution you mean, a process involving time, chance, natural selection, with no intelligent involvement or intent, (sort of the classical interpretation of "is" Evolution), then NO.

503 posted on 08/17/2005 12:35:02 AM PDT by GSHastings
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