Sun's Output Increasing in Possible Trend Fueling Global Warming
Posted on 08/17/2005 3:15:40 PM PDT by nairBResal
This is an area where Hillary has expertise ... what she says is true, but it has nothing to do with the discussion at hand.
I'm doubting the causes of the changes.
Well, sure! That's AOK. Studies involving 12 or 13 subjects is definitive, if it comports with conventional wisdom. It's that ID stuff you have to really worry about.
How about: What is the most stupid thing you have heard from a U.S. Senator today? Sheesh. What a tool...
Whether climate change is occurring should only be argued from the relevant data. You could just as easily said that an ice age 200,000 years ago proves that global climate change can only occur due to natural causes (which is a logical fallacy because you have not proved that artificial causes cannot cause global climate change). This would have been only 1/10 as ridiculous as your link about Mars.
I love how Rush puts it - if we're so powerful, why can't we MAKE certain climate changes happen? Why can't we stop the rain when it rains too much or make it rain when there's a drought? We couldn't if we wanted to, but accidental, unintended consequences of our very existence are powerful enough to make massive changes? Doesn't make sense.
McCain huh?
Can we get a point of view from a NON liberal please?
No sign of smoke relief in forecast
By CHRIS TALBOTT
Staff Writer
Article Published: Wednesday, August 17, 2005
Thick smoke from forest fires will likely be a recurrent theme in the Interior and the Fairbanks area for several more days.
Particulate levels in the air remained hazardous Tuesday, worsening in the evening, according to officials.
The National Weather Service forecast for the rest of the week calls for very little change, with temperatures around 70, light winds and almost no chance of rain into the weekend.
Nowhere in the forecast are the long, drenching rains needed to slow Interior fire activity and reduce smoke.
"That's probably not in the cards," said weather service lead forecaster Bob Fischer.
More than a dozen people sought refuge for a brief time Tuesday in a breathing respite center at Fairbanks Memorial Hospital. Fairbanks North Star Borough officials opened the center late Monday.
They said residents could also visit the Noel Wien Public Library to catch a clean breath of air.
Officials continue to warn all residents to stay inside if possible, with doors and windows shut. The elderly, children and people with health problems are advised to curtail outdoor activity.
At the hospital, first-floor conference rooms have been cleared and equipped with a pair of HEPA filters, according to emergency management coordinator Clint Brooks.
"They're about the size of a small refrigerator and turn over the air in there every 20 minutes," Brooks said.
He said there had been no noticeable increase in the number of people turning up at the emergency room and was unsure what to expect as heavy smoke continues through the week.
"The problem is, it's kind of a fluid situation," Brooks said.
Forecasters said Monday it was possible a change in weather would help clean the Interior's air, though not completely cleanse it of smoke.
But the weather instead will remain fairly stable into the weekend. Fischer said showers weren't likely until Sunday.
That will allow the fires that ring the Interior to continue burning. Any wind change will offer little relief, since smoke is thick in every direction.
The Alaska Interagency Coordination Center said more than 580 fires have burned 3 million acres this summer.
The 124,000-acre Beaver Creek Fire near Livengood and the Dalton Highway about 60 miles north of Fairbanks again sent a dense pall of early evening smoke into Fairbanks, sharply increasing the level of dangerous particulates in the air.
Air-quality information is available on the Internet at http://co.fairbanks.ak.us/Transportation/AirQuality/ or by calling a prerecorded hot line at 459-1234.
Borough Mayor Jim Whitaker said the respite center will be open as long as it's needed.
"At this point, all we can do is monitor, provide relief through the respite center and advise people to do light activities, at most," he said.
"People who think that humans are the cause of global warming should set the example by killing themselves and eliminating their influence on the environment."
bump LOL if only they would.
"To say humans, of all forms of life, have no impact on the environment is ridiculous. In the short period of time humans have been around we have radically reshaped the environment of the Earth. In fact, if global warming is occurring it may very well be more from the fact of our massive deforestation and livestock methane emissions than from CO2 from the burning of fossil fuels."
seems you are a little lite on facts here..the Ocean is the heat sink of the planet..and is the main CO2 scrubber
has man effected that part of the planet?? or what did man do to increase the output of the SUN?? todays climb in temps may be just a simple as an active SUN cycle.
You said
the Ocean is ... the main CO2 scrubberI said
Vulcanism releases vast amounts of CO2 into the atmosphere. Without life to convert it to calcite in the oceans (via the creature's shell), the greenhouse effect would very likely have made our planet's temperature much higher.How do you think the oceans scrub CO2? By continuous absorption forever? No, sea life forms shells made of calcite (CaCO3) from dissolved quantities of CO2 and calcium ions. This will eventually form limestone, hence the CO2 is removed by life (other mineral formations are magnetite and dolomite).
Correction, magnesite, not magnetite.
Not one scrap of even poorly evidenced anecdotal evidence is given to support the contention that whatever warming upcycle might be occuring is in any way related to human activity.
McCain is an idiot and a tool.
I think Collins, Snowe, Graham, and Chafee have already expressed support for McCain's bill that contains mandatory emissions control (Kyoto lite). This was a PR stunt as they're minds were obviously made up before the trip.
"No, sea life forms shells made of calcite (CaCO3) from dissolved quantities of CO2 and calcium ions. "
right you are so my question again what did man do to effect the co2 scrubbing by the oceans??
what effect does an increased sun cycle have on global warming?? and how has man effected that..oh I know trees give shade and shade is cool and less trees is less cool..LOL
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