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To: Jorge
Jorge:

A traffic tickets are not misdemeanors. They are "violation," generally not crimes. A traffic record is different then a criminal record. And I don't know about your state, but in my state marijuana possession is the most serious kind of misdemeanor conviction you can get for a first offense and it's a felony if you are ever caught again. In some counties here people go to jail for a first offense. In my county they'll go to jail and get out if they can come up with bond money. Then when they come back to court they'll get several hundred dollars in fines and court costs, or over a thousand if they happened to have a pipe or rolling papers with them when they got caught wit the pot. They'll lose their drivers license for six months. They'll have to complete and pay for a marijuana offenders "treatment" program. They'll be put on probation for nine months and have to pay a monthly fee for that too. They'll get ninety days of jail time hung over their heads to be imposed if they get behind on their fines, piss off the probation officer, don't complete the marijuana offenders program, get caught driving during their suspension period or get in any other trouble. A lot of them end up coming back for probation revocation revocation hearings because we are in a poor rural county and a lot of them can't keep up with the fines, probation fees, and "treatment' costs (I use quotation marks because all the "treatment is is a stupid class they have to take). A lot of others are caught driving because people here tend to live in the boonies ad we don't have any public transportation, not even taxis.

Second offense, even if it's been twenty years since the first offense, or even if your first offense was in some state like California where they do treat it more like a traffic ticket, is a felony. In my county people are generally forced into our tough drug court program, unless they have other things on their record whereupon they'll be given a prison offer by the prosecutors. Our drug court is a crappy program that last a bare minimum of a year although I've never seen anyone graduate that quickly and while in the program these people are required to go to several meetings every week during normal business hours. Most of the people in it lose their jobs and have to go to one of the few places they can work that will work around their drug court schedule, if they can find that kind of work. I guess that's better than one county over where the prosecutor always insists on a stint in prison for a second offense of marijuana possession.

I hate the way people treated for nothing other than smoking pot around here. I imagine you would hate it too if on one of the rare occasions you smoke pot you happened to be in an area like mine or where where they are even harder on pot smokers, and happened to get caught. The laws and the way they are enforced vary considerably from state to state, county to county, and even from town to town. There are a lot of places where you can expect a lot more than just a slap on the wrist.

I just can't believe you are an admitted pot smoker and you still think the stuff ought to be illegal? What, are you just more responsible than everyone else so it's okay for you to smoke pot but no one else should? Do you think it's just fine and dandy for you to break the law? Is there not a problem when we have unenforcible laws that everyone just ignores creating disrespect for the law in general? Does it not matter that there is a huge multi-million dollar industry run especially at the higher levels by organized crime supplying all the people like you who ignore the law? Does it not bother you that those who distribute marijuana also distribute the hard stuff that causes so many problems in this country and that because of that people like you who smoke marijuana are much more likely than others to be offered the hard stuff? Does it not matter to you that because of marijuana's legal status those who smoke it are much more likely to be offered other drugs because they already use one illegal substance and are thus unlikely to report those who would sell them or share with them other illegal drugs that are far worse than marijuana? Does it not bother you that people are fairly severely punished in many parts of this country for doing the very thing that you do? Does it not bother you that many people in law enforcement look on people like you as the enemy? Does it not bother you that we waste billions of dollars in this country every year fighting against pot even though it does little or no good?

How do you justify your position? I don't get it.
43 posted on 08/20/2005 2:05:51 PM PDT by TKDietz
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To: TKDietz
You speak of "imbalances" in one instance and a "state" in another instance. These are disparate things, not the same things.

I see no reason why one can't describe a mental condition as an imbalanced state.
You're really splitting hairs here.

In one breath you state that everyone suffers...But it does waste people's lives and definitely contributes to mental and emotional imbalances as well...then in the next you state...There are exceptions to the rule when it comes to anything, including the influence of pot on one's personal life.
You can't have it both ways and then hold yourself up as the exception to the rule. Either it does something or it doesn't or you're a walking contradiction.

Ask anyone who's smoked pot socially for a while.
People are effected to different degrees by pot.

For example I never had any problem driving a car after smoking pot. In fact I would really get into it.

But I had some friends who simply couldn't drive when they were high. They were all over the road.

Most people I knew got really lazy, wouldn't study and did terrible in school when they smoked pot.

But I loved studying when I was high and would get good grades as a result.

There are certain personal character traits that can counter the usual effects pot has on people's lives.
A strong work ethic can nullify the usual lazy, laid-back, do-nothing pot head attitude.

And this is one of the things that makes me a walking contradiction when it comes to pot.

44 posted on 08/20/2005 6:14:40 PM PDT by Jorge
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To: TKDietz
How do you justify your position? I don't get it.
You obviously don't understand that he's an exception to the rules. /sarcasm
46 posted on 08/20/2005 10:48:42 PM PDT by philman_36
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