Posted on 08/18/2005 5:17:34 PM PDT by curiosity
Most of us like choices, that's why restaurants have menus and colleges have electives.
The schools can teach all the intelligent design they like, in an elective class and not in a required science class.
Fair enough.
In my humble opinion , it is a stretch to the breaking point to give science credits for studies in evolution and I am sure that credits for basket weaving classes would benefit the student of science fiction , more, as well. But choice, has, been hailed as the acme of human progress, for the past thirty years and now we of anywhere to the right of the extreme left, are claiming our own right to choice.
The ID advocates aren't interested in the mechanisms of evolution per se. They are interested in discrediting the methods and findings of science itself, as they pertain to casting doubt on the literal historical accuracy of Genesis.
Uh, how do you want to detect design if you don't even have a model of the designer?
I understand that. What I am unable to understand is why the fairy tale of evolution is taught in what is strangely defined as a required science class.
Your hermeneutics are disasterous (as if that matters to you). At least make an effort to put this verse in context. He was referring to His messianic claim being challenged by a skeptical ruling class. To insinuate that the Lord Jesus Christ was saying anything at all supportive of the evolution argument is defamatory and scurrilous. You must be utterly vile to make such a suggestion.
Right. The ID movement is a mask.
And of course they can teach devil worship, scientology, properties of spirits.
In the religion department, not in the science department.
bttt
Students are free to pursue Religious Studies as they wish. But Religious Studies do not lead to a Bachelor of Science in Engineering or Biology.
The battle reminds me a lot of the censors in Iran who urged translators of western literature to substitue words to make the literature more acceptable. One example in Reading Lolita in Iran was the taking of the word "wine" out of I do believe a Henry James novel.
This is very similar to the Madrassas if you ask me. Just a matter of degree.
You are vile to call him vile. And how do you know what Jesus thinks of evolution? You got some kind of pipeline?
How many people would actually believe it? Won't their be any naysayers? Why do you imply there will be a "winner takes all" outcome to the struggle between evolutionists and IDers?
But here is my underlying question
As I've said above, ID is news to me. For 40 years I've been comfortable with a personal belief that any evolution that has taken place has occurred within a Universe set up by God, which operates according to His rules.
I'm an average person, who's skeptical of people who need to pound their opponents into the ground.
Like other average people, I find it necessary to cover my ears, when someone is ranting.
The evolutionists need PR lessons.
Because the ID movement involves a religious belief that God is on their side, the real poor PR is their movement, founded on a lie. They are fascist at heart. And if you read this thread the insults hurled at anyone who differs with them are shocking. For so called Christians.
I do believe one poster last night referred to the second coming and taunted one who differed with him on ID that one day we would all be on our knees. Now that is his belief. But it was bullying and hateful.
That has no place in a study of Science.
You made a claim, but now you refuse to back it up with evidence.
That would lead an objective observer to conclude that there is no evidence for your claim, other than your opinion.
What you were taught is not relevant. I quoted the text from my son's 2002 Biology textbook. The terms are being taught now.
And watch your language.
Do you have a reference for this? Thanks.
It's not a play on words, it's a fact.
If you want your child to have moral teaching you can choose private education. Parents must be creative.
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