Posted on 08/18/2005 5:17:34 PM PDT by curiosity
That's right. The individual can't make the choices since it was already decided what he would do BEFORE he was born.
You only THINK you are making choices. Actually, God decided those 'choices' for you BEFORE you were born.
You are merely taking sides based on gender, not on any other "principle." Your retort is as childish and it is off point.
I have asked for cogent discussion from "doodle" and have not gotten it. Instead I received what can only be described as willful obtuseness interspersed with ill conceived gobbledygook, and this gobbledygook she has used to literally heckle people on this thread. She in no way meaningfully response to post directed at her.
In any event, it is none of your business.
If you have a substantive point, please make it. Otherwise spare me your "refereeing." It is completely uncalled for and out of line. She is big girl.
Honestly. Talk about rude.
As for you personal opinion of me, I could really care less.
It's a bit worse than that. For an omniscient being, all of time is visible at once. There is no before and after. Existence is created at once, including its past, present and future.
Sounds a lot like the evo crowd here.
You're refering to Calvinism, which is completely wrong. It's a perversion that contradicts what God said in a major, fundamental way. There's no point to anything, especially teaching if you're responsible for nothing anyway. It's a story of puppets and a demented tyrant.
I think you are denying the obvious.
You have to go back and re-address what you mean by "evolution" ~ it's merely change, not progression toward more complexity.
Church group burns Harry Potter books, Shania Twain CDs
Town shrugs at event that brought it infamy
August 6, 2003
BY TAMARA AUDI
FREE PRESS STAFF WRITER
Until this weekend, the small western Michigan town of Greenville had gained modest fame as home to the annual Danish Festival, the first Meijer Thrifty Acres and the world's largest refrigerator factory.
And, as far as anyone knew, it had nothing against the fictional British wizard Harry Potter or the Coneheads.
Which is why, when members of the town's Jesus Non-denominational Church gathered Sunday to burn an eclectic collection of books, CDs and videos, the people of Greenville seemed perplexed.
"What kind of an image are they setting in the community?" asked the Rev. Mark Shaw, senior pastor at Calvary Baptist, another local church. He dismissed the burning as a misguided publicity stunt.
Misguided, perhaps, but effective. The story shot across wire services and the Internet and by Monday afternoon, the friendly town whose Web site touts its summertime performances of the play "Thumbelina," was suddenly infamous for hosting an old-fashioned book-burning.
Disparate items were tossed into the Sunday bonfire: Harry Potter burned alongside copies of the Shania Twain album, "The Woman in Me." A copy of the Dan Aykroyd movie "Coneheads" was thrown into the flames with the Book of Mormon.
The items were connected by a line that only participants could see. None of the books, music or movies promoted God, church members said.
About 50 congregants gathered for the burning. A few said the fire was divinely inspired.
"This was definitely by the Holy Spirit," said Bonnie Conran, a church member.
The church's bishop, the Rev. T.D. Turner Sr., said in a news release that the congregation "will burn Harry Potter books and other witchcraft items to let the world know that there are true followers of Jesus Christ who will not call evil good.
"We at Jesus Non-denominational Church refuse to allow Satan to take the minds of our children," Turner said. "We will do all that is in us to stand and hold up a standard of righteousness and we will win."
"It's important for children to know that Harry Potter is witchcraft," Jill Turner, the bishop's wife, told the Daily News. "It really afflicts their minds."
The church is far from the first to burn copies of Harry Potter. The book has been burned for years by fundamentalist Christian groups.
In 2001, a church in New Mexico burned copies of the book along with Eminem CDs and copies of the movie "Snow White." The same year, a church in suburban Pittsburgh burned Potter books, too.
The burnings often sparked counter-protests from Potter fans and civil rights advocates.
Greenville took a more live-and-let-live approach.
"They can buy books and burn them as long as they choose to burn their own books," said Tara Conaway, director of the Flat River Community Library. "I won't tell them what to read as long as they don't tell me what to read."
The library, which serves Greenville, has copies of the Harry Potter series.
The Rev. Terry Jones, senior pastor of First Congregational Church of Greenville, agreed that members of the Jesus Non-denominational Church have the right to burn books. But he said the Bible has stood the test of time and "can stand on its own."
"We ought not be afraid of any other books or movies or anything of that nature," Jones said. "Harry Potter won't destroy the gospel."
Now, back to Greenville's regularly scheduled programming: The first chess club meet of the year is Aug. 28.
Contact TAMARA AUDI at 313-222-6582 or audi@freepress.com. The Associated Press contributed to this report.
You seem to think Calvin's God of predestination is the same as Jesus. He is not. Your statement regarding denying the obvious is based on zilch.
Are you saying God does not know what you will be doing tomorrow?
In other words, if we all become athiests, we will be "accepted" by the Left and they won't call us ignorant rubes anymore.
YEC INTREP
Knowing what will happen is not the same as causing it. The individual's decisions made of Free will are the cause. God does not interfere, else there's no Free will.
Well of course! That explains it!
Christians really ARE the source of every evil in the world!
Archeology, a field that I have immense respect for, strikes me as a sort of "applied historical study" which is richly informed by Science, and in general, the "hard sciences."
Anthropology, a field that I have some real problems with almost seems to me to be a form of literature, a form of literary conjecture, or perhaps a "preliterate philology" of illiterate cultures (an awkward phrase and concept, I know.) One could say that is is a "Social Science" which is, of course, to say that it is not a science at all, at least from my point of view.
I have a lot of trouble with anthropology, but occasionally these people put out some interesting stuff. I am just not sure that we need a "science" called "anthropology to get these writings.
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