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To: WildTurkey

When God created mankind he knew you would be typing here tonight. You have no choice but to follow his master plan.>>>

But did GOD make me type here? Your line of reasoning removes purpose in life. Maybe tommorow I will quit my job buy a gun and shoot up a place, what does it matter then, its GOD plan or maybe tommorow I will get up shower and eat breakfast and go to work. Which one of those is GODs plan then? If I purposely change the path I walk on, am I interfering with gods predertimination of me?

I know someday I will die, GOD knows I will die also. So why wait then, lets remove the purpose of freewill and off ourselves since then no matter what we do god knew we would and therefore we are only following his master plan and therefore it isnt freewill. I guess that removes hell as a punishment, since GOD is the only person to blame and GOD is infallable so no matter what we do, its on GOD and not us.


266 posted on 08/18/2005 7:49:06 PM PDT by aft_lizard (This space waiting for a post election epiphany it now is: Question Everything)
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To: aft_lizard
If I purposely change the path I walk on, am I interfering with gods predertimination of me?

If God is truly omniscient, then whatever you ultimately end up doing is what you were predetermined by God to do. You're not "changing" anything, because God would always have known that you were planning one thing and then would later change your mind and do another.
269 posted on 08/18/2005 7:50:58 PM PDT by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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To: aft_lizard
But did GOD make me type here?

Since he preordained all you would do in your life, I guess you had no free-will to do otherwise. If you want to call that "making you do it", I guess so.

271 posted on 08/18/2005 7:51:29 PM PDT by WildTurkey (When will CBS Retract and Apologize?)
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To: aft_lizard
Maybe tommorow I will quit my job buy a gun and shoot up a place, what does it matter then, its GOD plan or maybe tommorow I will get up shower and eat breakfast and go to work. Which one of those is GODs plan then? If I purposely change the path I walk on, am I interfering with gods predertimination of me?

Uh, you miss the point. God has already chosen your path for tomorrow. You have no choice. We will find out tomorrow what God has planned for you.

275 posted on 08/18/2005 7:54:06 PM PDT by WildTurkey (When will CBS Retract and Apologize?)
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To: aft_lizard
I know someday I will die, GOD knows I will die also. So why wait then, lets remove the purpose of freewill and off ourselves since then no matter what we do god knew we would and therefore we are only following his master plan and therefore it isnt freewill. I guess that removes hell as a punishment, since GOD is the only person to blame and GOD is infallable so no matter what we do, its on GOD and not us.

There is so much on this thread that demonstrates a misunderstanding about free will, and God's all knowing nature, it's hard to pick the right spot to butt in. But this is as good a place as any.

Current science supposes that the whole of the Universe emerged in a "Big Bang" event. Yes, I know that's not the only Theory, but it's the one with the most traction at this time.

The big bang isn't matter exploding out into empty space. It's matter AND empty space AND time exploding out of...for a lack of better word...nothing.

God is outside of ALL of that. He isn't dragged along sequentially by Time as are we. So he can create us with free will, and know the outcome of our lives before it happens FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE INSIDE THE CONFINES OF TIME.

389 posted on 08/18/2005 9:38:41 PM PDT by GSHastings
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