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Peggy Noonan: Just Friends (Bush Sr's newfound affection for Bill Clinton is just creepy)
The Wall Street Journal ^ | Thursday, August 18, 2005 | Peggy Noonan

Posted on 08/19/2005 4:41:00 AM PDT by presidio9

Newt and Hillary pose on the Capitol steps showing a teasing delight in each other's company as they back, together, a new health-care scheme. John McCain and Hillary pose laughing with reporters and showing bipartisan closeness as they leave together on a fact-finding trip to Alaska. I saw the latter picture yesterday on the news, remembered the former, and thought of a conversation with a group of conservatives from throughout the country a few weeks ago.

The subject turned to the growing friendship between the Bush seniors and Bill Clinton. They had famously bonded big-time during their tsunami fund-raising efforts, and Barbara Bush is reported now to call Mr. Clinton "son." Mr. Clinton has been up to Kennebunkport this summer to play golf with his fellow former president, go boating, and have a private dinner.

In our conversation someone called the growing chumminess "creepy" and asked what I thought of it. I said I found it creepy too. What, I was asked, did I think was behind it? Why are Mr. Bush senior and Mr. Clinton so publicly embracing each other, yukking it up for the cameras and complimenting each other?

Because it serves their individual needs and interests, I said. They both get real benefit out of it while appearing to be ignoring their own interests. That's a great twofer.

What does Democrat Bill Clinton get out of cultivating the Republican Bushes? He gets public approval from a man most of the country sees as personally upstanding. When Mr. Bush puts his arm around Mr. Clinton, he confers his rectitude. Democrats won't mind it, and independent voters will like it. In receiving the embrace of the patriarch of such a famously Republican family, Mr. Clinton looks like someone who is, by definition, nonradical, mainstream, not too unacceptably odd and

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TOPICS: Editorial; Miscellaneous; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: again; bush41; peggynoonan; x42

1 posted on 08/19/2005 4:41:02 AM PDT by presidio9
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To: presidio9

Creepy, no. Sick, disgusting, and very scary is a start.


2 posted on 08/19/2005 4:43:43 AM PDT by mtbopfuyn (Legality does not dictate morality... Lavin)
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To: presidio9
Lately, I have been finding Peggy creepy.
3 posted on 08/19/2005 4:44:18 AM PDT by Shawndell Green (Mecca delenda est!)
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To: Shawndell Green
Honestly, I don't think Clinton has exactly been a fixture at Kennebunkport. This is much ado about nothing. And Barbara Bush's comment on calling him "son" smacked of sarcasm, to me.

It's August. Apparently nutty stories are not confined to the leftists in the press. Why isn't Peggy writing about Able Danger, World Youth Day..... something actually happening NOW?

4 posted on 08/19/2005 4:49:59 AM PDT by Miss Marple (Lord, please look after Mozart Lover's son and keep him strong.)
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To: Miss Marple

Maybe when she said Son she said the other three words under her breath.


5 posted on 08/19/2005 4:52:05 AM PDT by MudSlide
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To: presidio9

The Libs think Clinton is helping GHWB improve his image.


6 posted on 08/19/2005 4:55:33 AM PDT by Loyal Buckeye
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To: presidio9

This is another Rovian plot.

If you embrace Bill it suggests that all the evil we associated with him were all because of Hillary. This 'relationship' with the Bushes marginalizes her.


7 posted on 08/19/2005 4:57:29 AM PDT by parcel_of_rogues
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To: presidio9
"Rivers and seas boiling! … The dead rising from the grave! ... Human sacrifice! Dogs and cats living together!" Dr. Peter Venkman....Ghostbuster
8 posted on 08/19/2005 4:59:42 AM PDT by Vaquero (An armed society is a polite society.......Heinlein)
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To: presidio9

Perhaps it's just one of the ways they try to carry God's message to the sinners in hope of having a positive impact. Jesus hung around the human trash because they needed His help and influence more than others (the sick need the doctor, not the well). Let's just pray is has some effect.


9 posted on 08/19/2005 5:01:52 AM PDT by trebb ("I am the way... no one comes to the Father, but by me..." - Jesus in John 14:6 (RSV))
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To: Vaquero

Ah yes... the Venkman Factor!


10 posted on 08/19/2005 5:02:52 AM PDT by johnny7 (“Hi Lloyd. A little slow tonight, isn't it?”)
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To: presidio9

It reminds me of the old insult, "You will either die on the gallows or of a loathsome disease." The rejoinder was, "It depends on whether I embrace your principles or your mistress."

The Clintons should be avoided at all times. They crave acceptance and do not deserve it.

McCain is another disgrace (a perpetual one at that) going on a tree-hugging junket with Hillary.


11 posted on 08/19/2005 5:03:13 AM PDT by sine_nomine (Protect the weakest of the weak - the unborn babies.)
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To: presidio9
What bothers me about the fervid friendship of the Bushes and Mr. Clinton--and the media celebration of it--is the faint whiff of superiority, a sense they radiate that all those slightly icky little people running around wailing about issues--tax reform, the relation of the individual to the state, the necessary character of a president--and working the precincts are somehow . . . a little below them. There is an air of condescension toward that grubby thing, belief. Those who hold it are not elevated, don't quite fit into the high-minded nonpartisan brotherhood. When in fact the people doing the day-to-day work of democracy, and who are in it because they are impelled by deep belief and philosophy, are actually not below them at all, and perhaps above them. Not that they're on the cover of People hugging, but at least they're serious.

It is the suggestion, or the suspicion, that these men have grown close because they are not serious, were never quite serious, that grates. That makes one wonder. That leaves some Republicans, and I have to assume more than a few Democrats, scratching their heads when they see Newt smiling with Hillary, and John McCain giggling with Hillary. It leaves you wondering: Why are these people laughing?

Noonan pretty much captures the essence of modern politics, where ideological differences are only skin deep -- until elections roll around, of course, and all those "icky little people" must be persuaded there is actually some reason to vote.

12 posted on 08/19/2005 5:12:03 AM PDT by browardchad
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To: presidio9

Maybe Bush I is longing for a BJ and wants to learn the intricacies of Cigar dipping?


13 posted on 08/19/2005 5:22:32 AM PDT by funkywbr
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To: funkywbr

Maybe Bush I will be seeking the Republican presidential nomination. He is eligible to serve another term.


14 posted on 08/19/2005 5:26:19 AM PDT by HuronMan
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To: Shawndell Green; All
Lately, I have been finding Peggy creepy.
When it comes down it, she's a Lit Chick. The type who draws little, smiling daisy faces on her lower cap i-s, sends her spare change to "Save the Children" anonymously and daydreams Victorian romance novels then sighs. Color me brutish for noticing, she's also carrying some serious milk money.
15 posted on 08/19/2005 5:26:43 AM PDT by olde north church (Man enough to pay for my own sins.)
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To: presidio9

They're ALL starting to creep me out.


16 posted on 08/19/2005 5:26:57 AM PDT by Liberty Valance (Why? Ask Jamie Gorelick)
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To: mtbopfuyn

Maybe Bill recognizes something he's missed his entire life. NORMALCY


17 posted on 08/19/2005 5:34:52 AM PDT by CajunConservative
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To: Loyal Buckeye

I prefer the son over the father.


18 posted on 08/19/2005 5:37:05 AM PDT by Unicorn (Too many wimps around.)
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To: Miss Marple
#4...guilt by association, according to Peggy.
What disturbs me the most is it's coming from Peggy.

Why?...

...a poster once noted, not too long ago, that maybe Peg is a bit disgruntled because she didn't get the 'speech writing postition' for President Bush, and was recently filled by someone else.

Piling on Bush....when, like you said, Able Danger is gaining steam.

19 posted on 08/19/2005 5:37:38 AM PDT by Guenevere
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To: presidio9

Like they say, keep your friends close and your enemies closer. I don't think that there is true friendship between the Clintons and Bushs. The Bushs are too smart for that. IMHO


20 posted on 08/19/2005 5:55:15 AM PDT by toomanygrasshoppers
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To: Guenevere

Damning with faint praise may seem a mite too much for your Peg?
Thought "grifterish" was the "raisin -in-the -cake"!


21 posted on 08/19/2005 6:14:52 AM PDT by CBart95
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To: MudSlide
re: Maybe when she said Son she said the other three words under her breath.)))

LOL...that would have been like Bar...

22 posted on 08/19/2005 6:17:04 AM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: CBart95
#21...Sorry,I don't understand your point?

I know what a grifter is, but not your use of it?

...and I've never heard of 'raisin in the cake'....????

23 posted on 08/19/2005 6:21:52 AM PDT by Guenevere
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To: presidio9
In our conversation someone called the growing chumminess "creepy"

For "creepiness" nothing will ever touch the Matlin/Carville combo.

Folks, the typical FReeper froths at the mouth like Pavlov's dog at the mention of the dreaded word Democrat.

But there are only two political camps in 21st century America .... politicians and suckers.

24 posted on 08/19/2005 6:25:34 AM PDT by iconoclast (Wastin' away again in hearts-and-minds'ville.)
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To: Miss Marple

I agree with you. I actually think that one thing an ex-president can do is act like a statesman, and I think the elder Bush and Klinton are just doing that. Contrast that with that scumbag Jimmy Carter, saying vicious things about Bush, meeting with Micheal Moore, hating America, and visiting every anti-American dictator around the world like Castro, North Korea, and that lunatic in Venezuela.


25 posted on 08/19/2005 6:27:12 AM PDT by KC_Conspirator (This space outsourced to India)
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To: ovrtaxt; presidio9
WHY DID BILL CLINTON IGNORE TERRORISM?
Was it simply the constraints of his liberal mindset, or was it something even more threatening to our national security?


Peggy has it exactly right.
Did Bush 41 forget what
he said in '92?

Shame. He should know better.


Washington mutual protection racket
writ large.
In real time.
In our homes.
It IS sickening.

Doesn't Bush 41
know he's lending legitimacy
to that dangerous grotesquerie
hovering like a vulture
above
the rotting carcass,
(the body politic)?

We must clean house.
Get rid of the careerists.
All of them.

Post 9/11,
we no longer have the luxury
to coddle self-interest,
whether clinton pathological
or Bush benign.
 

 

THE CLINTONS--AMERICA'S BIGGEST BLUNDER
Hear Bush 41 Warn Us--October 19, 1992*
 

 

 

 


hear
*Thanx to Cloud William for text and audio

 

 

LEHRER: President Bush, your closing statement, sir.

PRESIDENT BUSH: Three weeks from now--two weeks from tomorrow, America goes to the polls and you're going to have to decide who you want to lead this country ...

On foreign affairs, some think it's irrelevant. I believe it's not. We're living in an interconnected world...And if a crisis comes up, ask who has the judgment and the experience and, yes, the character to make the right decision?

And, lastly, the other night on character Governor Clinton said it's not the character of the president but the character of the presidency. I couldn't disagree more. Horace Greeley said the only thing that endures is character. And I think it was Justice Black who talked about great nations, like great men, must keep their word.

And so the question is, who will safeguard this nation, who will safeguard our people and our children? I need your support, I ask for your support. And may God bless the United States of America.

(Applause)


 

deconstructing clinton… "just because I could"


(viewing movie requires Flash Player 7, available HERE)
FOOL ME ONCE, SHAME ON YOU! FOOL ME TWICE, SHAME ON ME!

 


26 posted on 08/19/2005 6:28:51 AM PDT by Mia T (Stop Clintons' Undermining Machinations (The acronym is the message.))
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To: mtbopfuyn

George Bush's legacy, "Read my lips, no new taxes" and Souter to the Supreme Court.


27 posted on 08/19/2005 6:30:49 AM PDT by KenmcG414
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To: presidio9

You would be friends too, if Clinton had the FBI file on you. Especially, if you had something to hide.


28 posted on 08/19/2005 6:50:36 AM PDT by auggy ( http://www.wtv-zone.com/Mary/THISWILLMAKEYOUPROUD.HTML)
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To: olde north church

DU troll alert.


29 posted on 08/19/2005 6:54:09 AM PDT by rcocean (Copyright is theft and loved by Hollywood socialists)
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To: Liberty Valance

LOL. Peggy has always creeped me out with that voice and that hair flipping. It is just plain weird to talk and flip hair like she does.


30 posted on 08/19/2005 6:55:45 AM PDT by cajungirl (no)
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To: presidio9

by every account I have read, bill clinton is VERY charismatic in person, so this is not too surprising.

If hillary wins in 2008, we are on track for 24-28 years of presidents from the same 2 immediate families.


31 posted on 08/19/2005 6:57:17 AM PDT by WoofDog123
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To: mtbopfuyn

I am sure that the Bush/Clinton friendship was the key that got Sandy What's-in-my-Sox from paying the penalty for severe criminal violations.

"Georgie, boy."
"Yes, mom."
"Do me a favor and lay off Bill's friend, Sandy?"
"Sure mom."


32 posted on 08/19/2005 6:58:05 AM PDT by sine_nomine (Protect the weakest of the weak - the unborn babies.)
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To: rcocean

Who Me? Perhaps you should read the history of my posts before you start moving your fingers.


33 posted on 08/19/2005 7:08:46 AM PDT by olde north church (Man enough to pay for my own sins.)
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To: mtbopfuyn

In War: Resolution
In Defeat: Defiance
In Victory: Magnanimity
In Peace: Good Will

I always loved this epigram from Winston Churchill. The Clintons are much more our friend that the evil of Imperialistic Islam which opposes us all and wants us dead.


34 posted on 08/19/2005 7:21:15 AM PDT by gridlock (IF YOU'RE NOT CATCHING FLAK, YOU'RE NOT OVER THE TARGET...)
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To: Miss Marple
And Barbara Bush's comment on calling him "son" smacked of sarcasm, to me.

Did she, pray tell, ever say "Bless his heart..."?

It is amazing to me that so many people have never seen a Southern-to-English Dictionary.

35 posted on 08/19/2005 7:27:48 AM PDT by gridlock (IF YOU'RE NOT CATCHING FLAK, YOU'RE NOT OVER THE TARGET...)
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To: browardchad
That makes one wonder. That leaves some Republicans, and I have to assume more than a few Democrats, scratching their heads when they see Newt smiling with Hillary, and John McCain giggling with Hillary. It leaves you wondering: Why are these people laughing?

Ask not whom the political class laughs at, they laugh at us.

36 posted on 08/19/2005 7:30:12 AM PDT by NeoCaveman (The constitution is not in exile, it's in a nice safe deposit box in the Cayman Islands - Lileks)
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To: presidio9; All

I wish people would get a grip. The senior President Bush is from the old school .. of diplo-speak, being friendly with your adversaries.

That said .. please also remember that even though Bill Clinton was impeached - he's still a former president. I firmly believe this is about THE OFFICE OF THE PRESIDENCY - and not anything personal. In fact, we need to leave anything personal out of it. It's a restoration of the status of THE OFFICE.

Bill Clinton has sullied THE OFFICE - therefore, the Sr. Bush is trying to remove the smear from THE OFFICE - not the person of Clinton. Actually, I think this is a good thing. Clinton needs to learn some manners - and Clinton needs to learn what his obligations are regarding THE OFFICE OF THE PRESIDENCY.

I know, I know .. it's hard to separate the two (personal and office) - but we would be less frustrated with Bill and George HW's relationship if we would try to understand the real goal - restoration of respect for the office and not Clinton's personal reputation.


37 posted on 08/19/2005 7:30:28 AM PDT by CyberAnt (America has the greatest military on the face of the earth.)
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To: WoofDog123
If hillary wins in 2008, we are on track for 24-28 years of presidents from the same 2 immediate families.

At least the oligarchy is a benevolent one. All hail the oligarchy....

38 posted on 08/19/2005 7:31:28 AM PDT by NeoCaveman (The constitution is not in exile, it's in a nice safe deposit box in the Cayman Islands - Lileks)
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To: CyberAnt
And who knows what "intel" one might gain from its all about me clinton.

Just hope they keep the lovely Bush daughters far far away from the old pervert.
39 posted on 08/19/2005 7:32:24 AM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: Just mythoughts

You want "intel" from Clinton ..??

Why? He only talked to the CIA chief twice in 7 years.


40 posted on 08/19/2005 10:36:51 AM PDT by CyberAnt (America has the greatest military on the face of the earth.)
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To: presidio9
This stinks.

I can never fully trust the Bush clan.

They swim too well and too freely in the foetid DC swamp of power whores.
41 posted on 08/19/2005 10:47:48 AM PDT by mercy (never again a patsy for Bill Gates - spyware and viri free for over TWO YEARS now)
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To: mercy
My take is Hillary is being set up for 8 years in the White house followed by 8 years of Jeb Bush.
42 posted on 08/19/2005 11:03:57 AM PDT by SgtSki
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To: SgtSki
That'd be like signing a contract with Osama in Iran in a deal where you were the payer and required to put all monies up front and all services were to be provided at a later date.
43 posted on 08/19/2005 11:18:58 AM PDT by mercy (never again a patsy for Bill Gates - spyware and viri free for over TWO YEARS now)
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To: olde north church
Maybe.

I could post your comment on Noonan on DU and not one person would disagree.

Do you ever make nasty comments on liberal commentators or just the ones on our side?
44 posted on 08/19/2005 4:04:41 PM PDT by rcocean (Copyright is theft and loved by Hollywood socialists)
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To: rcocean

Personally, I don't know what the people at DU would agree with, I don't go there. I've learned you can't walk through a sewer without getting shit on your shoes.


45 posted on 08/19/2005 4:49:18 PM PDT by olde north church (Man enough to pay for my own sins.)
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To: presidio9

It's not creepy so much as disheartening. How can the Bushes be friendly towards such a person as Bill Clinton? Frankly, if Hillary wins in 2008 I won't be shocked at all.


46 posted on 08/27/2005 8:44:00 AM PDT by thathamiltonwoman
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