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'DIRTY' DISH ON N.J. 'JEW' EATERY
Yahoo ^ | August 19, 2005 | HEIDI SINGER and CYNTHIA R. FAGEN

Posted on 08/19/2005 11:02:33 AM PDT by ExitPurgamentum

'DIRTY' DISH ON N.J. 'JEW' EATERY

By HEIDI SINGER and CYNTHIA R. FAGENFri Aug 19, 6:00 AM ET

A posh Jersey Shore eatery, under fire for referring to a pair of diners as a "Jew Couple" on their check, is in hot water again.

Longtime customer Joanne Fordyce said she was outraged when she noticed that her check from Parkhill's Waterfront Grill in Loch Arbour printed, just below her table number, "Dirty Joanne."

"They're real nice to your face and then they let you know how they really feel when you get the check," said an outraged Fordyce, a human-resources director.

She said she was so shocked, she held onto her July 15, 2004, receipt for a year.

Fordyce said she bought $9 worth of cocktails at the bar, and added a generous $5 tip.

Later, she noticed the "Dirty" insult.

"How nice could I be? I felt like an ass after that," she said.

"I was going to let it go, but now I see they are still doing it.

"This is definitely not the normal practice if you want to stay in business. I know there are plenty of my friends that have had bad experiences there. That's why they don't go anymore."

She said that in her case, it was a female bartender who wrote up the check.

"I don't know, maybe the bartender is jealous because we drive a Mercedes. But they don't have to be jealous any longer. We just don't want to go there and be treated like this," she said angrily.

Fordyce, 34, said she decided to come forward after reading about diner Elliot Stein's shocking experience at Parkhill's, in Wednesday's Post.

In that July 8 incident, Stein's check referred to the 23-year-old Brooklyn shoe buyer and his girlfriend, Jennifer Cassin, as "Jew Couple."

"This is still going on? It's amazing," Fordyce said in disbelief.

She said she had a similar experience to Stein's when she went to complain to the same manager, Malia Wells, and received the cold shoulder.

"I was blown off like it didn't matter," said Fordyce, who lives in the area. "There was no apology."

Fordyce, who had been a Parkhill patron for seven years, said she once spent $3,000 on a baby shower at the eatery.

Fordyce yesterday filed a complaint with the New Jersey Division on Civil Rights.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; US: New Jersey
KEYWORDS: slur
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To: SJackson

I thought we weren't allowed to post Asbury Park Press articles.


101 posted on 08/19/2005 11:52:06 AM PDT by JimRed ("Hey, hey, Teddy K., how many girls did you drown today?")
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To: ExitPurgamentum; dead
LOL! I don't know what the hell religion or race Dirty Joanne is.

This is what the article is about. Read the title and ht first couple of sentences.


The title of the article refers to the OTHER story of the OTHER couple who were tagged "Jew couple". The first few lines of the article refer to that story, then switch to THIS story about a woman named Joanne Fordyce, who had a receipt in which she was tagged "Dirty Joanne." Joanne's story doesn't say a word about HER religion or race. It may be the same eatery, but calling someone Dirty is now racist? The jokes in this thread started with the woman complaining someone "must be jealous" of her mercedes. Truth be told, the eatery was busted, rightfully so, on the "Jew Couple" check.

But we're all to assume "Dirty Joanne" is a racist slur? This woman admits to patronizing this eatery for SEVEN years, including a $3000 baby shower. How are we NOT to know what Dirty means? Maybe she tells dirty jokes, maybe she likes dirty martinis, maybe she never washes her car?? You're combining both stories when the only thing in common I see are: the eatery, and tagging customers.

102 posted on 08/19/2005 11:52:49 AM PDT by cgk (Some mornings it just doesn't seem worth it to gnaw through the leather straps: Emo Phillips)
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To: ExitPurgamentum
Maybe it was meant as a compliment.

103 posted on 08/19/2005 11:53:00 AM PDT by evets (God bless president Bush!)
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To: ExitPurgamentum

Since when is a Tip "generosity"... Giving a dollar to a homeless guy is generosity, Giving a Tip is to make sure you next drink is heavy on booze and light on mixer and faster then the last.


104 posted on 08/19/2005 11:53:03 AM PDT by Tsunamii
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To: ExitPurgamentum

Good Grief! Why don't you borrow a sense of humor from someone and then come back and rejoin the conversation. There was NOTHING, REPEAT NOTHING racist about this incident. Dead's comments and those of others are funny!


105 posted on 08/19/2005 11:53:18 AM PDT by asp1
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To: nosurrender
The expression of racism is a form of speech, which is protected by the First Amendment.

Good luck with that.

Surely you must realize we Americans have 'evolved' since 1789 such that our government courtrooms are one-stop shops for all forms of complaint and redress.

106 posted on 08/19/2005 11:54:04 AM PDT by newgeezer (Sarcasm content: 50.00%)
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To: Ditter
Gee, I thought redneck WAS the ultimate insult.

Not in my book. It's the Dems that call Middle America redneck. Seems to me these are the very same people who still keep American values.

Thanks for the explanation; I am aware of the origin of the word.

Best regards, EP

107 posted on 08/19/2005 11:54:05 AM PDT by ExitPurgamentum
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To: frithguild
I love that place!

Me too. What a hoot!

108 posted on 08/19/2005 11:55:06 AM PDT by houeto (Mr. President, close our borders now!)
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To: andyk
What racism? I can't tell from this article why the term "dirty" was used.

I guess, this is because you yourself have a pure heart.

"Dirty" in this case is an abbreviation for an OLD insult "dirty Jew."

109 posted on 08/19/2005 11:55:16 AM PDT by ExitPurgamentum
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To: andyk
What racism? I can't tell from this article why the term "dirty" was used.

I guess, this is because you yourself have a pure heart.

"Dirty" in this case is an abbreviation for an OLD insult "dirty Jew." With that in mind, reread the title and the first few sentences.

110 posted on 08/19/2005 11:56:04 AM PDT by ExitPurgamentum
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To: jpl
I find it rather amazing that the restaurant owners apparently condone this sort of behavior from their employees....These folks will just have to not go there anymore and spread the word around to their friends and family about this. If they continue treating customers this way it's sure to eventually have an impact.

My guess these were specific messages directed to a limited number of customers for a specific reason. If all customers were characterized this way, to their faces, they'd be out of business.

111 posted on 08/19/2005 11:57:42 AM PDT by SJackson (I went to the intifada, and all I got was a UN T-Shirt, Hugh Hewitt)
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To: ExitPurgamentum
"Substitute 'insult guests based upon race...' with 'killing people.' To be sure, killing people on your premises is not good for business. But business is not everyting, especially if the culture condones the abuse. We had slavery for a long, long time --- it WAS good for business! If it were accepted by neighbors and productive today, would you accept it.

"Business deals with private property rights (which are by the way granted and enforced by the government). Culture -- where the issue of racism belongs --- is a public good."

Exit, you're wound up way too tight. You ramble from insults to killings. How is that germane to this story? Then you bring up slavery. Did I miss something in this article about Dirty Joan being chained to the salad table in the kitchen? And, contrary to your post, private property rights are not granted by government, but by God. God freely gives; government freely takes (and tramples on).

Someone who owns a business should be able to run it as they see fit. If a customer is offended but not physically hurt by the proprietor's actions, the customer should no longer frequent the establishment but should have no governmental redress. There is no place for crybabies to go to the government in cases such as this.
112 posted on 08/19/2005 11:59:36 AM PDT by reelfoot
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To: asp1
There was NOTHING, REPEAT NOTHING racist about this incident.

I'd like to think you're right. But, given all the facts, I'd be pleasantly and thoroughly shocked if the "dirty" reference was not intended to mean "dirty Jew."

113 posted on 08/19/2005 12:00:08 PM PDT by newgeezer (Just my opinion, of course. Your mileage may vary.)
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To: x

"A posh Jersey Shore eatery ..."

Bwaghahaha.

Especially one where drinks, dinner for two, and (presumably) tip for $36.75.


114 posted on 08/19/2005 12:00:08 PM PDT by MeanWestTexan
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To: ExitPurgamentum
"Dirty" in this case is an abbreviation for an OLD insult "dirty Jew."

Look at the photo in post 51. I think you are way off base here.

How is it that one day "dirty" is an abbreviation for "dirty Jew" but yesterday it's impossible for "Jew couple" to be an abbreviation for "Jewish couple"?

SD

115 posted on 08/19/2005 12:01:06 PM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: HamiltonJay

This place does a bang up business, especially on late summer weekends. I'll guarantee you, that crowd will not be effected by this story. Steve Parkihill, who the restaurant is named after died unexpectedly not long ago. His steady hand is no longer steering the ship. The zoo crowd seems to be taking over. The before 10:00 dinner crowd will no longer be as well served.

Here is what is going on, IMHO. About 40 years ago Safardic Jews moved en mass to the neighboring town of Deal. These people were kicked out of Spain by Ferdinand and Isabella and then Kicked out of Syria with the founding of Israel in 1948. They ended up in Brooklyn and then Bradley Beach and then Deal in the summers only. Graduating classes in the grammer school went from 120 per grade to 10-15 in the space of 7 years. Their culture is very closed, for obvious historical reasons. They don't mix with people not their own. Deal used to be an Irish and European jewish town and there is still friction between the old guard and the "Syrians". In fact, I have often heard it said that the Eurpoean jews hate the "Syrians" more than the Irish. Cassin is a "Syrian" name. So there you have it.


116 posted on 08/19/2005 12:01:29 PM PDT by frithguild (If I made one mistake, it was that I was too cooperative and waited too long to go on the offensive.)
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To: MeanWestTexan
"A posh Jersey Shore eatery ..."

Bwaghahaha.

"Posh," in this case, means "indoors."

SD

117 posted on 08/19/2005 12:02:45 PM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: dead
Firstly, it is clear to me now that you certainly did not mean anything bad, and I apologize for using the word "racist" when writing to you.

"Dirty" was used in this case as an abbreviation for an old insult "dirty Jew." You have not heard it probably because you don't hang out with people that use it.

Here are some specifics, starting with the title:

'DIRTY' DISH ON N.J. 'JEW' EATERY Why do you think it was used? Because the author of the article knew the context: "dirty" stood for "dirty Jew."

A posh Jersey Shore eatery, under fire for referring to a pair of diners as a "Jew Couple" on their check

This happened much later after Joanne herself was insulted. Again, most people say "Jewish couple." Those that want to insult say "Jew boy," "Jew couple." Most importantly, of course, nobody views you as a customer as being Irish, or Italian, or Jewish --- unless it is important for them, unless they are prejudiced.

It looks like the restaurant has seen and condoned this behavior for a long time.

118 posted on 08/19/2005 12:02:58 PM PDT by ExitPurgamentum
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To: SJackson
This gal's name does not seem Jewish to me.

This is about a place that allows employees to make personal comments about patrons on documents. The management is obviously at fault. But it seems the chickens have finally come home to roost...

119 posted on 08/19/2005 12:03:38 PM PDT by veronica ("America has been killing people on this continent since it was started." - Mother Sheehan)
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To: ExitPurgamentum
With that in mind, reread the title and the first few sentences.

Well, I can see what you're saying. If she is Jewish, and "dirty" was a reference to it, then it does look like there's a pattern of it here.

I took roughly the same position you have on a thread I posted a day or two ago regarding the "Jew Couple" incident, and one of the moderators eventually pulled it because s/he had had enough. Don't be surprised to see it happen to this one as well... :)
120 posted on 08/19/2005 12:03:40 PM PDT by andyk (Go Matt Kenseth!)
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