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To: xcamel
CJ did no wrong


You need to rethink this.

Self defense is only justified if you are the victim. Sitting in a restaurant with loud patrons disturbing your quite does not make you a victim. In this case you complain to the manager, pay your bill and leave.

If after the waitress asked the group to be quiet, one or more of the men got up and approached CJ, then he may feel he was in danger. But that is not the case.

CJ approached the group himself, he was the aggressor.

Now let us pick up where one or more of the men in the group was too drunk to be intimated by his display, and got up to face off with him. Suppose one or more thought their live was in danger because they did not have a gun, and some stranger approaches and tells them to shut up?

Let us say someone does something stupid, CJ misinterprets their action pulls his gun and shoots someone. Who is at fault?

If I was on the jury CJ would be going to jail.

I am not a lawyer, but I do not believe you can be an aggressor and then claim self defense, when it would be just as easy to leave the restaurant.

If CJ can be so easily annoyed by the stupid behavior of others, perhaps he should not carry a weapon but that is a decision only he can make, and one that may end up costing him more then he expects.

152 posted on 08/21/2005 7:12:46 AM PDT by CIB-173RDABN
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To: CIB-173RDABN
Again, all kinds of "straw man" arguments. How would all this change if CJ merely exercised his right to ask for quiet enjoyment of his meal without a weapon, visible or not. If he was trained in a deadly martial art?
If he had a "Crocodile Dundee" knife?? Simply being armed does not make you the aggressor. Society and those who are determined to take away your rights conspire with your natural tendency to see the worst in every situation.

And we call liberals "usefull idiots".... sheesh.

A person intends to rob a bank... everyone in line is packing, Guess the robbery doesn't happen, now does it. Not the least of which, nobody in the line was an "aggressor".
Get over it.

253 posted on 08/21/2005 8:21:15 AM PDT by xcamel (Deep Red, stuck in a "bleu" state.)
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