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FED'L MENTAL HEALTH TESTING FOR SCHOOL CHILDREN
Cong. Ron Paul - www.house.gov/paul/tst/tst2004/tst091304.htm | 8-22-05 | American Spirit

Posted on 08/22/2005 2:55:20 PM PDT by american spirit

With school starting up again many parents are inquiring as to whether the schools will start implementing the new federally created mental health testing programs in the schools that so alarmed the Association of American Physicians & Surgeons that they issued a statement decrying it as a "dangerous scheme that will heap even more coercive pressure on parents to medicate children with potentially dangerous side effects". Any new information concerning implementation of the programs and/or groups fighting these intiatives would be appreciated.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government
KEYWORDS: aaps; bravenewworld; fascism; mentalhealth; ronpaul; tmap
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1 posted on 08/22/2005 2:55:23 PM PDT by american spirit
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To: american spirit

Are they going to test the administrators and teachers too? Maybe they should START THERE!!!


2 posted on 08/22/2005 2:56:19 PM PDT by goodnesswins (Our military......the world's HEROES!)
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To: american spirit

Haven't heard a peep!

Shudders for public school parents and kids!


3 posted on 08/22/2005 2:57:01 PM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: american spirit

You don't think that POLITICS will influence the test, do you?????


4 posted on 08/22/2005 2:58:04 PM PDT by SteveMcKing ("I was born a Democrat. I expect I'll be a Democrat the day I leave this earth." -Zell Miller '04)
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To: american spirit
Just thinking about it ... didn't Bush pass something that took the teeth out of school systems medicating kids with out the knowledge and permission of the parent? I thought I heard something about that - about a month ago.

Haven't heard anything about coerced mental testing.
5 posted on 08/22/2005 2:59:12 PM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: american spirit

I'd say the group most in need of mental health screening is public officials, and most specifically Senators.


6 posted on 08/22/2005 3:00:45 PM PDT by thoughtomator
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To: american spirit

Both last year and this year we were given a form where we had to identify the areas where our children would most benefit from counseling. We were to rank them based on order of importance (things like grief counseling to anger management to study habits).

I would suspect that these forms represent a sort of soft launch of this program. But there has been no notification for us of screenings ... yet.


7 posted on 08/22/2005 3:00:55 PM PDT by SittinYonder (Nemo me impune lacessit)
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To: thoughtomator

Here's a new tagline to illustrate:


8 posted on 08/22/2005 3:01:16 PM PDT by thoughtomator (Hey Senator! Leave those kids alone!)
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To: american spirit

Don't listen to him!

Ron Paul is just another Constitution-quoting, book-reading losertarian!!!

It's all being done for the future of the children, don't you know!


9 posted on 08/22/2005 3:07:37 PM PDT by headsonpikes (The Liberal Party of Canada are not b*stards - b*stards have mothers!)
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To: american spirit

God I'm glad I don't have kids to have to subject to our public school system.


10 posted on 08/22/2005 3:07:58 PM PDT by diverteach
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To: thoughtomator

Let's see. Johnny asks too many questions the teacher can't answer, so they call him ADD. They call in a counselor working with the school, who agrees. They require Johnny to see a doctor, who also works with the school. Doctor recommends medication. Parents disagree, try to protest, are charged by DHS with neglect, and Johnny is medicated and taken away to a foster home.

This isn't a crazy future. This has already happened in some districts.


11 posted on 08/22/2005 3:11:13 PM PDT by Bhrian
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To: nmh

...Haven't heard anything about coerced mental testing....

I heard about it. Thought it was a bad idea. Don't know if it went forward or not.

I think if a kid has real problems it would be evident to a lay person. I don't see any need for screening all kids, since most kids are normal. Something like this kind of assumes that mental illness in children is an epidemic of such proportion as to compare it to mandatory vacinations for disease.

Granted, I don't work in the CYA world of the public school system, nor do I send my kids there for their educations.

It is a fact though that if the school wants to test your kids mental health, and you refuse, they can test them anyway without your approval.

That I think is enough power, maybe even too much.


12 posted on 08/22/2005 3:11:21 PM PDT by planekT (No fence, no vote.)
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To: Bhrian

I was a few short years too old to be a prime candidate for that... I asked a LOT of questions.


13 posted on 08/22/2005 3:12:52 PM PDT by thoughtomator (Hey Senator! Leave those kids alone!)
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Hey Senator! Leave those kids alone

We don't need nooooo mental testinggggg.....
14 posted on 08/22/2005 3:14:15 PM PDT by Stellar Dendrite ( Socialism is the philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance and the gospel of envy. -Churchill)
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To: Bhrian

I figure being conservative, especially if you are also religous, will be deemed a mental illness. That way they get to medicate the "bigots" and the "homophobes."


15 posted on 08/22/2005 3:14:37 PM PDT by The Ghost of FReepers Past (The repenting soul is the victorious soul)
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To: planekT

Good info.......I just figure as sneaky as these politicians and pharmaceutical companies are they're working overtime behind the scenes to force this on school age kids without the knowledge of most parents.


16 posted on 08/22/2005 3:21:49 PM PDT by american spirit
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To: american spirit
I need to dust off my soap box, it's been a while since I made one of my speeches.

Mental illnesses are serious conditions that need to be treated. One of the best treatments for a lot of conditions are the various medications that we've heard so much about.

Brain scans of kids with ADD or ADHD show brains that are severely distorted. Putting those same brains on medications results in scans being more "normal". (Actually the brain scans of people with ADD/ADHD tend to look like brain scans of people on illicit drugs.) If your doctor recommends that your child would do better on a medication, then for Heaven's sake, try it. Don't send your child up the river just because the med has a bad PR.

All that being said -- I don't think forced mental evaluation of all school children is a good thing. But I do think the teacher MAY have an idea (and in some families, unfortunately a BETTER idea) than the parents may have about the child in question.

It's a different world now than when we were kids. Students are subject to a lot different types of stressors than they were 20 years ago. It's only natural to see more cases of depression and anxiety. And, from personal experience, it's better to get treatment at a younger age than it is when it flares up for real in your 20s.

But I can appreciate the concerns.
17 posted on 08/22/2005 3:24:10 PM PDT by birbear (Admit it. you clicked on the "I have already previewed" button without actually previewing the post.)
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To: SittinYonder

Yeah, I'd agree on the "soft launch" idea.......I'm quite sure the local school officials didn't dream up a form like that on their own volition. Could've been a premature "shot across the bow" just to see where the opposition might come from.


18 posted on 08/22/2005 3:27:29 PM PDT by american spirit
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To: diverteach
God I'm glad I don't have kids to have to subject to our public school system.

Same here!

My youngest graduated in 1987....

I have 2 grandsons in a Christian Academy..Thank God!

They have never (nor will they ever) set foot in a public school.

19 posted on 08/22/2005 3:28:36 PM PDT by the Deejay (THE LADY DEEJAY)
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To: american spirit

http://www.eagleforum.org/psr/2005/mar05/psrmar05.html

Article on it. Public schools are evil.


20 posted on 08/22/2005 3:31:01 PM PDT by stinkerpot65
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