SHOULD THE QU'RAN BE IN THE COURTROOM?

Wilmington Journal ^ | 8/06/05 | CASH MICHAELS

[michigander]

that's for dang sure.

LOL.

Marine_Uncle,

Paragraph breaks are you friend, don't be afraid to use them. :-)

[FreedomCalls]

"Any one who, after accepting faith in Allah, utters Unbelief,- except under compulsion, his heart remaining firm in Faith - but such as open their breast to Unbelief, on them is Wrath from Allah, and theirs will be a dreadful Penalty." Sura 16:106

That would seem to prohibit lying under oath right there.

[Carry_Okie]

A Moslem doesn't have to tell the truth to an infidel no matter what holy book he's asked to swear upon. He is only bound to tell the truth when accused and tried under Sharia law by an Islamic court.

[TheForceOfOne]

I'm blind! what was that mess?

Just kidding, I know that some things don't post well, there may be a good HTML code to correct it but I don't know what it is.

[decal]

SHOULD THE QU'RAN BE IN THE COURTROOM?

Well, the judge has to bang the gavel down on SOMETHING...

[skimbell]

"...SHOULD THE QU'RAN BE IN THE COURTROOM..."

I suppose that a court room would be OK, but I find that mine is a lot more useful in my outhouse.

[ExSafecracker]

"Melt in the pot or get out."

Do you mind if I steal that line, turn it into a bumper
sticker and make a zillion bucks. I know I would sport one
if I could.

[michigander]

except under compulsion

Define "compulsion".

[Natural Law]

Many courtrooms have dropped the God portion of the oath, ending only with "so help you".

[ChicagoHebrew]

But what if a witness or juror isn’t a Christian? What if he is a Jew or a Muslim? Both groups have their own books of faith, their own symbols of religious truth. How about if the witness is a Satanist and thinks lying is just his master's way of getting cheap jollies? It boggles the mind why we should cater to fringe groups. Sheesh...

I'd hardly call Jews or Muslims fringe groups. On the other hand, it's silly to have them swear on a Christian Bible (most Jews I know either bring their own, or only swear on the so-called "Old Testement."

Then again, it's silly for Jews to be swearing to God anyway, since Jews affirmatively cancel all vows to God for the coming year as part of Kol Nidre on Yom Kippur (i.e. in modern Rabbinic Judiasm, it is impossible to make a vow to God, a doctrine that grew out of how serious it is to make a vow then brake it).

[livius]

So far as I know, all courts permit people who do not accept Jewish/Christian Scripture to simply make an affirmation that they will tell the truth. This is a non-issue.

[Tequila25]

I forgot that the bible is like Wonder Woman's lasso of truth and has special powers. If that's the case, everyone should be forced to swear to it. If it's not, then Wonder Woman (or a reasonable facimile) needs to tie us up and force us to tell the truth.

I wouldn't object...

[Carry_Okie]

I forgot that the bible is like Wonder Woman's lasso of truth and has special powers.

My, what creative prowess.

I don't believe that I asserted such. All I said was that a Moslem has no religious compulsion to tell the truth in a non-Islamic court no matter what book is involved. It's a fact.

[TXBSAFH]

In the restroom maybe?

[Tequila25]

"All I said was that a Moslem has no religious compulsion to tell the truth in a non-Islamic court no matter what book is involved. It's a fact."

So get them to swear on bibles or tie them up with magic lassos! PROBLEM SOLVED!

[Carry_Okie]

I suggest you take a pose similar to that in post 74 and take a photo of Wonder Woman along with you. It'll help with your creativity.

[Lurking Libertarian]

You bring up an interesting point. What do today's courts do with atheists?

Federal courts have never required the use of a Bible or the words "so help me God." The U.S. Constitution, every time it mentions oaths, always says "oath or affirmation." This was because, even then, there were a lot of religious dissenters (Quakers, and probably some others)who wouldn't swear on a Bible.

Today, federal law is that the witness can pretty much use any form of oath or affirmation he wants, as long as it is clear that (a) he is promising to tell the truth, and (b) he understands that he can be convicted of perjury if he lies. (The same is true in the state courts I have been in, but I have never been in a North Carolina state court, so I don't know if they really make everyone swear on a Bible.)

[so_real]

Do you mind if I steal that line, turn it into a bumper sticker and make a zillion bucks. I know I would sport one if I could.

Absolutely! If you make it, I'll buy one. Promise :-)

[Doc On The Bay]

Let Them All Place Their Hand upon the US Constitution, & Swear by the Constitution--under EXTREME penalties of perjury--that they Testify Truthfully.

Let the Penalties for Perjury be EXTREMELY HARSH (10+ Years in Prison).

It is NOT NECESSARY to "SWEAR BY GOD!"

THUS, "Lying in the Name of Islam" is Moot!

If you Lie--you go to Jail--for a LONG TIME!!!

Doc

[Proud_USA_Republican]

correct.

The middle-east media proves that fact that muslims have to be the most practiced, but at the same time, worst liars on the planet.

I think they have simply gotten so used to bullshiting and the illiterate, uneducated masses in that land believing it, they gave up even trying to make their claims plausible anymore.

I love those jihadist websites that try to give a tally each day of how many american soliders have been killed in Iraq. Great comedy.

"Augest 18th, the glorious allahs warriors destroyed 200 american tanks, killed 5000 infidel soliders, sunk an aircraft carrier task group, and now control Baghdad".

Arafat was always good for laughs as well.

"The Palestinian Authority condems todays suicide bomb attack in Tel Aviv and we are investigating who was involved."