[Libloather]

Doesn't the Qu'ran advocate lying to your enemies?

[MikefromOhio]

I believe so yes...

but if they swear on a Qu'ran, they are bound by that oath I believe...

Honestly it is a moot point. either include them or don't, but let's not totally change both 230 years of tradition nor our fundamental rights for any one group or people.

They are free to be whatever religion they wish. I think that if they want to swear on a Qu'ran in a courtroom, there should be one there....

I don't know why there is such an issue over it.

[Prime Choice]

Doesn't the Qu'ran advocate lying to your enemies?

As a matter of fact, it does. According to the Q'uran, you can lie, cheat, steal, kill, rape and leave the toilet seat up, provided you only do it to the infidel. (And you are forbidden to turn in your Muslim brethren...even if you know they are rapists, murderers and/or terrorists.)

[F14 Pilot]

they have something called Taqqiya. It means Lawful Lie

[Michael Barnes]

I've been thinking about this one..When the toilet paper is introduced into the courtroom, how long is gonna be before a Christian swears upon the bible against a muslim that swears upon the toilet paper? I can already hear it now (doesn't matter which side the muslim or Christian is on); muslim's lawyer asks the Christian to also swear upon the toilet paper. Christian says no? Well now, that should make for an interesting trial no won't it (and I am talking of trial by public opinion)? cair will be howling from the rooftops about an unfair trial based on religion.

You heard it here first (unless of course another freeper beat me to it).

I look forward to the holes in my thesis BTW..

[Marine_Uncle]

"Doesn't the Qu'ran advocate lying to your enemies? The Below from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taqiyya In Shi'a Islamic tradition, Taqiyya (التقية) is the dissimulation of one’s religious beliefs when one fears for one's life, the lives of one's family members, or for the preservation of the faith. It is most often used in times of persecution or danger. Some Sunnis assert that Taqiyya is an act of hypocrisy that serves to conceal the truth. According to them, Taqiyya constitutes a lack of faith and trust in God because the person who conceals his beliefs to spare himself from danger is fearful of humans, when he should be fearful of God only. The practice was a method of self-preservation for the Shi'as who historically were the minority and persecuted by Sunni Muslims. Sunnis would sometimes force Shi'as to curse the House of Ali - believing that no devout Shi'a could commit such an act. As a result of this persecution, the idea of Taqiyya emerged. In other words, if a Shi'a Muslim's life is in danger, he may lie as long as he holds his faith true in his heart. Shi'as justify the practice using the following verse from the Qur'an: Any one who, after accepting faith in Allah, utters Unbelief,- except under compulsion, his heart remaining firm in Faith - but such as open their breast to Unbelief, on them is Wrath from Allah, and theirs will be a dreadful Penalty. Sura 16:106 And the following [Shakir 3:28] Let not the believers take the unbelievers for friends (awliyaa) rather than believers; and whoever does this, he shall have nothing of (the guardianship of) Allah, but you should guard (tattaqoo) yourselves against them, guarding carefully (tuqatan); and Allah makes you cautious of (retribution from) Himself; and to Allah is the eventual coming. According to Shi'a interpretation of these verses, 3:28 is telling that believers should not take unbelievers as Walis rather the believers, those who do it will lose the wilayat (5:55) of God, that is unless they are using taqiya/protecting them self, and doing so with caution. And God knows what is in your heart, so fear his wrath, for nobody escapes God. Taqiyya, like any other Islamic tenet, has guidelines and limits. According to many Shi'a Muslims, Taqiyya can only be legally used by a Muslim verbally when he or she is being wrongly persecuted. The situation may be when no matter whichever course of action an individual chooses he has to commit an evil. In that case, he should select the lesser evil. Shi'as cite the first use of Taqiyya historically during the time of Muhammad when Muslims were beginning to be tortured by the Quraishites. Ammar ibn Yasir, a follower of Muhammad, whose friends had been killed for being Muslim by the Quraish, was confronted by a Quraishite. 'Ammar pretended to renounce Islam and thus saved his life. Many Sunnis criticize Ammar for his actions or question the reliability of the story. Sunnis cite the examples of many Muslims who were tortured and murdered merely based on their belief during the time of Muhammad, Umayyad and Abbasids but didn't renounce their faith. Sunnis believe that God decides when someone is going to die. Therefore, it's wrong to deny the faith in order to escape torture or death. By contrast, the Shi'a believe that life is a gift from God and should be preserved. In a life-threatening emergency, the preservation of life takes precedence over anything else. Critics of the Argentinian president Carlos Saúl Menem of Syrian descent have dismissed his early conversion to Christianity as taqiyya. The Druze, a Levantine religion influenced by Islam, allow disguising their Druzeness and the simulation of being Muslim or Christian to avoid the frequent persecutions by the local majorities.

[Marine_Uncle]

Sorry, the site does not do well with cut/pastes.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taqiyya

[GladesGuru]

"Doesn't the Qu'ran advocate lying to your enemies?"

The koran does indeed allow the believer to lie to the unbeliever. Therefore, all Muslims must be prohibited from testifying because they can not be bound by their oath if an unbeliever is involved.

[TravisBickle]

I belive the Koran IS lies.