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JORGENSON EXPLODES FAIRTAX MYTH (FR Exclusive)
self | August 25, 2005 | RobFromGa

Posted on 08/24/2005 9:40:44 PM PDT by RobFromGa

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There is a typo in the underlined sentence, it should read:

So, Dr. Jorgenson, whose report you are relying on to support your calculation of embedded taxes, is stating that in making those embedded tax calculations he was assuming that the worker would keep his current after-tax amount, NOT that the worker would keep all of his current gross pay-check.

Error was made while I was formatting for FR post, not in original letter.

22 posted on 08/24/2005 10:11:38 PM PDT by RobFromGa (Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran-- what are we waiting for?)
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To: Gunslingr3
The individuals are responsible for their tax burden, and the Fair Tax would eliminate that burden from them.
If the individuals are performing a service their gross income could be subject to the 23% fairtax....then they'd pay tax again when they spend what's left.

In the mean time the IRS has strict requirements for determining independent contractors from employees...tell your brother to be careful.

23 posted on 08/24/2005 10:11:44 PM PDT by lewislynn (Status quo today is the result of eliminating the previous status quo. Be careful what you wish for)
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To: RobFromGa
Just imagine an employer telling everyone that their pay is going to be cut when the sales tax starts. Also, the pay of singles will have to be cut more than married couples with kids because singles are hit harder by the current income tax system. It's more likely that they just pay the employees the gross.

I would expect that domestic producers would be aided against imports. Importers can now play around with the amount which their US subsidiary pays for the import to make sure that little or no profit is made in the US. If a sales tax is put in place, that advantage disappears.

24 posted on 08/24/2005 10:14:00 PM PDT by KarlInOhio (Bork should have had Kennedy's USSC seat and Kelo v. New London would have gone the other way.)
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To: Sprite518
Look at his home page: Dale Jorgenson's Home Page

Do you really think I would make this up? You are nuts.

25 posted on 08/24/2005 10:14:03 PM PDT by RobFromGa (Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran-- what are we waiting for?)
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To: DC Bound
Heinlein fan?

Not really. The big advantage of the NRST is that it would finally get people to realize what government is costing them.

26 posted on 08/24/2005 10:14:38 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (There are people in power who are truly evil.)
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To: RobFromGa
No suprise to me ...

I I raised that very question on this thread four years ago:

Can the NRST Really Reduce Consumer Prices by 20% to 30%?

It seemed pretty clear to me that Dr. Jorgensen was being misrepresented, or at best, misunderstood. Though I contacted Dr. Jorgensen about this at the time, I never received a response. I'm glad this has finally been cleared up.

27 posted on 08/24/2005 10:14:43 PM PDT by Dimples
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To: lewislynn; Gunslingr3
lewislynn is a Troll... Don't waste your time. Just look at his post. I like to call him RobFromGa.... LOL!
28 posted on 08/24/2005 10:15:41 PM PDT by Sprite518
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To: Sprite518
http://post.economics.harvard.edu/faculty/jorgenson/ lists djorgenson@harvard.edu as his address.
29 posted on 08/24/2005 10:17:19 PM PDT by KarlInOhio (Bork should have had Kennedy's USSC seat and Kelo v. New London would have gone the other way.)
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To: Sprite518; RobFromGa
EVERYBODY THIS LOOKS LIKE A BOGUS E-MAIL FROM HERE.
Uh oh, You too have been outed by the narrow minded self professed arbiter of good and evil...

It couldn't possibly be true even if it was clear in his 96 or 97 testimony.

One of you is lying for sure robfromga....< /sarcasm >

30 posted on 08/24/2005 10:18:53 PM PDT by lewislynn (Status quo today is the result of eliminating the previous status quo. Be careful what you wish for)
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To: Dimples

Good job on that earlier thread, how in the world do they publish a book and make these claims?

Boortz I can understand embellishing, Linder I am just shocked. He seems like a good man the times I have talked to him. I can only assume that he doesn't understand the plan real well.


31 posted on 08/24/2005 10:19:40 PM PDT by RobFromGa (Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran-- what are we waiting for?)
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To: Sprite518
lewislynn is a Troll... Don't waste your time. Just look at his post. I like to call him RobFromGa....

Who's the idiot in this picture?

32 posted on 08/24/2005 10:21:53 PM PDT by lewislynn (Status quo today is the result of eliminating the previous status quo. Be careful what you wish for)
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To: RobFromGa

I never seen a Freeper so determined to keep the current tax code.. You love taxes just admit it... I am going to bed now. However, I can promise you I am going to contact the Dr. and see if this is valid, what does he thing of the fair tax and if your conclusion was correct.


33 posted on 08/24/2005 10:22:22 PM PDT by Sprite518
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To: lewislynn
You Troll.. Love all your anti fair tax post..hmmmm...hmmm...LMAO!
34 posted on 08/24/2005 10:23:51 PM PDT by Sprite518
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To: KarlInOhio

thanks for helping to verify the email address. Like I would make up emails from a Harvard economist to make my case. Sheesh...


35 posted on 08/24/2005 10:23:57 PM PDT by RobFromGa (Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran-- what are we waiting for?)
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To: Sprite518
I can promise you I am going to contact the Dr.

Knock yourself out. I'm sure you'll tell him what he meant and why he was wrong when he thunk it.

36 posted on 08/24/2005 10:25:47 PM PDT by RobFromGa (Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran-- what are we waiting for?)
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To: Sprite518

Knock off the troll comments

Thanks


37 posted on 08/24/2005 10:26:19 PM PDT by Sidebar Moderator
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To: RobFromGa
There is no pay raise with the FairTax plan, as many of us have stated, and been ridiculed for stating.

Stop talking sense, dammit! DRINK THE KOOL-AID!!!

;o)

The "FairTax" crowd is deluding none save themselves.

38 posted on 08/24/2005 10:27:24 PM PDT by Prime Choice (E=mc^3. Don't drink and derive.)
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To: RobFromGa
I happen to think it is important to make sure that this FairTax plan is accurately debated.

Naturally, you will be mobbed and maligned by the Kool-Aid drinkers who live under the illusion that taxing items at 23+% (for starters) won't have a negative effect on purchases. And they also think it won't create a burgeoning black market.

They'd just as soon want you to forget that the "fair tax" notion has been run before and consistently discovered to be an abysmal failure. But they're willing to risk tanking the U.S. economy for a regressive tax scheme. What cretins...

39 posted on 08/24/2005 10:31:01 PM PDT by Prime Choice (E=mc^3. Don't drink and derive.)
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To: Carry_Okie
The big advantage of the NRST is that it would finally get people to realize what government is costing them.
Unless you're poor, or a business that isn't retail or doesn't perform a service....

Doesn't everyone have w2's, check stubs, tax returns, 1099's etc.? What would a government check for everyone every month and a worthless receipt thrown away in the bag you carried it home in prove?

40 posted on 08/24/2005 10:32:30 PM PDT by lewislynn (Status quo today is the result of eliminating the previous status quo. Be careful what you wish for)
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