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To: kosta50
Slovenia seceded illegally.

Well, Kosta, the Slovenes disagree--that was what the war was about.

My point was that--no matter how wonderful the Serbs think Serbia is--those who know the Serbs best all wanted out--the Slovenes, the Croats, the Bosnians, the Macedonians, the Kosovars, and now apparently even the Montenegrins.

37 posted on 09/02/2005 4:59:46 AM PDT by mark502inf
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To: mark502inf
Well, Kosta, the Slovenes disagree

And you (conveniently) belive them, right? Have you read the Yugoslav Federal Constitution of 1974? I doubt it. Guess what: it had no provision for secession by a referendum. The reason for that was given in a typical communist convoluted way: since the peoples of Yugoslavia freely opted to live in one country after WWII (the referednum was rigged by the communists), they have spent their right to secession.

Secession could be accomplished not on a local but only on a federal level, and it required a consensus. In fact, all state constitutions required the same, which is why the Bosnian secession as well as Croatian secession were illegal.

The concensual requirement was built into the Constition precisely by the people who later seceded! It was intended to avoid what the communists called "mayorisation" or outvoting by majority populations.

In your ignorance of the subject matter, you simply accept the side that you favor as the "official truth." There is no attempt to be impartial and to consider both sides. Your prejudice is all you need.

41 posted on 09/02/2005 8:02:36 AM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: mark502inf
...those who know the Serbs best all wanted out--the Slovenes, the Croats, the Bosnians, the Macedonians, the Kosovars, and now apparently even the Montenegrins

Again you are spilling your ignorance on this subject. They "knew" the Serbs how? Serbia is the most mulitethnic state of all former Yugoslav states. Apparently, the Croats, the Bosnians, the Slovenes and Croats had no problem living in Serbia -- along with 20 some other nationalities. So, Serbia could not have been such a bad place.

Montenegrins are Serbs, but communist Yugoslavia made them into a separate "nationality," while admitting that by their origins they are Serbs. However, because Montenegro has a sense of statehood, having been a separate state, it has clearly a dual identity. Thus old 19th century Montenergo's passports would say that the bearer is a "Montenegrin citizen" of "Serb nationality."

All the Montenegrin delegates to the 4th Internationale declared themselves as Serbs. Milovan Djilas, a one-time No. 2 man in Tito's Yugoslvia (Tito was a Croat) said he was a Serb from Montenegro on his dying bed.

Decades of lies fed to Montenegrin generations convinced some that Montenegro is a land of people separate from Serbs. Such as a minority, but in coalition with Bosnian and Albanian Muslims, form a majority party in current Montenegro.

Montenegro is like Austria. A German state that considers itself not part of Germany. If Montenegrins feel the same about Serbia, they should secede. But don't forget that half of all Montenegrins live in Serbia! Half of Serbia's political and cultural elite is Montenegrin. Even if they do separate, they will remain one and the same people.

42 posted on 09/02/2005 8:19:07 AM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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