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Unrest Intensifies at Superdome Shelter
AP ^ | 9/1/05 | ADAM NOSSITER

Posted on 09/01/2005 10:37:44 AM PDT by NotchJohnson

Unrest Intensifies at Superdome Shelter Sep 01 12:56 PM US/Eastern

By ADAM NOSSITER Associated Press Writer

NEW ORLEANS

Fights and trash fires broke out at the hot and stinking Superdome and anger and unrest mounted across New Orleans on Thursday, as National Guardsmen in armored vehicles poured in to help restore order across the increasingly lawless and desperate city.

"We are out here like pure animals. We don't have help," the Rev. Issac Clark, 68, said outside the New Orleans Convention Center, where corpses lay in the open and evacuees complained that they were dropped off and given nothing.

An additional 10,000 National Guard troops from across the country were ordered into the hurricane-ravaged Gulf Coast to shore up security, rescue and relief operations in Katrina's wake as looting, shootings, gunfire, carjackings and other lawlessness spread.

That brought the number of troops dedicated to the effort to more than 28,000, in what may be the biggest military response to a natural disaster in U.S. history.

"The truth is, a terrible tragedy like this brings out the best in most people, brings out the worst in some people," said Mississippi Gov. Haley Barbour on NBC's "Today" show. "We're trying to deal with looters as ruthlessly as we can get our hands on them."

The Superdome, where some 25,000 people were being evacuated by bus to the Houston Astrodome, descended into chaos.

Huge crowds, hoping to finally escape the stifling confines of the stadium, jammed the main concourse outside the dome, spilling out over the ramp to the Hyatt hotel next door _ a seething sea of tense, unhappy, people packed shoulder-to-shoulder up to the barricades where heavily armed National Guardsmen stood.

Fights broke out. A fire erupted in a trash chute inside the dome, but a National Guard commander said it did not affect the evacuation.

Outside the Convention Center, the sidewalks were packed with people without food, water or medical care, and with no sign of law enforcement. Thousands of storm refugees had been assembling outside for days, waiting for buses that did not come.

At least seven bodies were scattered outside, and hungry, desperate people who were tired of waiting broke through the steel doors to a food service entrance and began pushing out pallets of water and juice and whatever else they could find.

An old man in a chaise lounge lay dead in a grassy median as hungry babies wailed around him. Around the corner, an elderly woman lay dead in her wheelchair, covered up by a blanket, and another body lay beside her wrapped in a sheet.

"I don't treat my dog like that," 47-year-old Daniel Edwards said as he pointed at the woman in the wheelchair. "I buried my dog." He added: "You can do everything for other countries but you can't do nothing for your own people. You can go overseas with the military but you can't get them down here."

Just above the convention center on Interstate 10, commercial buses were lined up, going nowhere. The street outside the center, above the floodwaters, smelled of urine and feces, and was choked with dirty diapers, old bottles and garbage.

"They've been teasing us with buses for four days," Edwards said.

People chanted, "Help, help!" as reporters and photographers walked through. The crowd got angry when journalists tried to photograph one of the bodies, and covered it over with a blanket. A woman, screaming, went on the front steps of the convention center and led the crowd in reciting the 23rd Psalm.

John Murray, 52, said: "It's like they're punishing us."

The first of hundreds of busloads of people evacuated from the Superdome arrived early Thursday at their new temporary home _ another sports arena, the Houston Astrodome, 350 miles away.

But the ambulance service in charge of taking the sick and injured from the Superdome suspended flights after a shot was reported fired at a military helicopter. Richard Zuschlag, chief of Acadian Ambulance, said it had become too dangerous for his pilots.

The military, which was overseeing the removal of the able-bodied by buses, continued the ground evacuation without interruption, said National Guard Lt. Col. Pete Schneider. The government had no immediate confirmation of whether a military helicopter was fired on.

In Texas, the governor's office said Texas has agreed to take in an additional 25,000 refugees from Katrina and plans to house them in San Antonio, though exactly where has not been determined.

In Washington, the White House said President Bush will tour the devastated Gulf Coast region on Friday and has asked his father, former President George H.W. Bush, and former President Clinton to lead a private fund-raising campaign for victims.

The president urged a crackdown on the lawlessness.

"I think there ought to be zero tolerance of people breaking the law during an emergency such as this _ whether it be looting, or price gouging at the gasoline pump, or taking advantage of charitable giving or insurance fraud," Bush said. "And I've made that clear to our attorney general. The citizens ought to be working together."

On Wednesday, Mayor Ray Nagin offered the most startling estimate yet of the magnitude of the disaster: Asked how many people died in New Orleans, he said: "Minimum, hundreds. Most likely, thousands." The death toll has already reached at least 110 in Mississippi.

If the estimate proves correct, it would make Katrina the worst natural disaster in the United States since at least the 1906 San Francisco earthquake and fire, which was blamed for anywhere from about 500 to 6,000 deaths. Katrina would also be the nation's deadliest hurricane since 1900, when a storm in Galveston, Texas, killed between 6,000 and 12,000 people.

Nagin called for a total evacuation of New Orleans, saying the city had become uninhabitable for the 50,000 to 100,000 who remained behind after the city of nearly a half-million people was ordered cleared out over the weekend, before Katrina blasted the Gulf Coast with 145-mph winds.

The mayor said that it will be two or three months before the city is functioning again and that people would not be allowed back into their homes for at least a month or two.

"We need an effort of 9-11 proportions," former New Orleans Mayor Marc Morial, now president of the Urban League, said on NBC's "Today" show. "So many of the people who did not evacuate, could not evacuate for whatever reason. They are people who are African-American mostly but not completely, and people who were of little or limited economic means. They are the folks, we've got to get them out of there."

"A great American city is fighting for its life," he added. "We must rebuild New Orleans, the city that gave us jazz, and music, and multiculturalism."

With New Orleans sinking deeper into desperation, Nagin ordered virtually the entire police force to abandon search-and-rescue efforts Wednesday and stop the increasingly brazen thieves.

"They are starting to get closer to heavily populated areas _ hotels, hospitals, and we're going to stop it right now," Nagin said.

In a sign of growing lawlessness, Tenet HealthCare Corp. asked authorities late Wednesday to help evacuate a fully functioning hospital in Gretna after a supply truck carrying food, water and medical supplies was held up at gunpoint.

The floodwaters streamed into the city's streets from two levee breaks near Lake Pontchartrain a day after New Orleans thought it had escaped catastrophic damage from Katrina. The floodwaters covered 80 percent of the city, in some areas 20 feet deep, in a reddish-brown soup of sewage, gasoline and garbage.

The Army Corps of Engineers said it planned to use heavy-duty Chinook helicopters to drop 15,000-pound bags of sand and stone into a 500- foot gap in the failed floodwall.

But the agency said it was having trouble getting the sandbags and dozens of 15-foot highway barriers to the site because the city's waterways were blocked by loose barges, boats and large debris.

Lt. Gov. Mitch Landrieu toured the stricken areas said said rescued people begged him to pass information to their families. His pocket was full of scraps of paper on which he had scribbled down their phone numbers.

When he got a working phone in the early morning hours Thursday, he contacted a woman whose father had been rescued and told her: "Your daddy's alive, and he said to tell you he loves you."

"She just started crying. She said, `I thought he was dead,'" he said.

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Who are the pricks starting fires in an enclosed facility? These people needed help, like yesterday.
1 posted on 09/01/2005 10:37:47 AM PDT by NotchJohnson
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To: NotchJohnson
The Great Society, the Age of Dependency, The Welfare Society ,........... speaks.

Enjoy it, liberals. Hope you're proud.

2 posted on 09/01/2005 10:39:31 AM PDT by beyond the sea ("I was just the spark the universe chose ....." --- Cindy Sheehan (barf alert))
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To: NotchJohnson
"They've been teasing us with buses for four days,"

Gee, maybe they should get all the nuses lined up, first, eh?

Imagine the scene if they showed up with four buses and announced first come-first serve.

4 posted on 09/01/2005 10:40:41 AM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: NotchJohnson

Remember: Never, EVER, let the government heard you into any kind of enclosed encampment of facility. You are better off on your own.


5 posted on 09/01/2005 10:41:05 AM PDT by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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To: NotchJohnson
"We must rebuild New Orleans, the city that gave us jazz, and music, and multiculturalism."
6 posted on 09/01/2005 10:41:40 AM PDT by sionnsar (†trad-anglican.faithweb.com† || (To Libs:) You are failing to celebrate MY diversity! || Iran Azadi)
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To: NotchJohnson
Why didn't New Orleans city housing codes require lifeboats so residents could escape danger? Lots of cities require fire escapes.

Why didn't Dan Rather do a report on New Orleans's precarious position in these recent years of increased hurricane activity?

New Orleans Geography

The levee system that has been built along the river, coupled with the canal system to keep the interior of the city dry, prevent the land from being replenished by the annual spring floods. As a result, the land will continue to sink until eventually there will be nothing to stop the waters of the Gulf to rush back upon the fragile land.
You can't fool Mother Nature
7 posted on 09/01/2005 10:41:51 AM PDT by syriacus (You can't fool Mother Nature. Why didn't New Orleans codes require lifeboats for each residence?)
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To: NotchJohnson
"I don't treat my dog like that," 47-year-old Daniel Edwards said as he pointed at the woman in the wheelchair. "I buried my dog."

Then shut up and bury this lady, assuming that her family wants her buried in the median alongside the highway.

8 posted on 09/01/2005 10:41:59 AM PDT by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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To: NotchJohnson
"We must rebuild New Orleans, the city that gave us jazz, and music, and multiculturalism."

I was going to donate a few buck but after hearing that I think I'll go buy a pizza instead.
9 posted on 09/01/2005 10:43:56 AM PDT by Mulch (tm)
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To: Rodney King

Would it be possible to walk/wad/swim to some kind of dry land? A big task yes, but is it possible?


10 posted on 09/01/2005 10:44:06 AM PDT by NotchJohnson
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To: NotchJohnson

"You can do everything for other countries but you can't do nothing for your own people. You can go overseas with the military but you can't get them down here."

.....what an ungrateful Ba$tard!


11 posted on 09/01/2005 10:44:06 AM PDT by auto power
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To: NotchJohnson
"That brought the number of troops dedicated to the effort to more than 28,000, in what may be the biggest military response to a natural disaster in U.S. history. "

NO isn't exactly a city of law and order to begin with ... I'm not surprised this is the behavior in a crisis. Liberals and thugs lack discipline.
12 posted on 09/01/2005 10:44:29 AM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: onemoretimeuntothebreech

"He's right. Our priorities have been wrong in this country. We need to cut back on all foreign aid (I say eliminate it entirely), get rid of the UN and stop the war in Iraq. The hell with the Iraqis. I'm quite sure they would not help us if the situation were reversed."

Better get your asbestos undies on.


13 posted on 09/01/2005 10:44:52 AM PDT by dljordan (a)
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To: beyond the sea

#2 Yup ... ... ... .


14 posted on 09/01/2005 10:45:06 AM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: Izzy Dunne

I can barely watch the coverage anymore after seeing that MSNBC coverage from the convention center...

1000's of people waiting on help that hasn't come. They went to the shelter like they were told... and no one is there no food, no water, no authorities.

Babies are dying.

They are laying the bodies against the walls.

It's horrible.

God help them all.


15 posted on 09/01/2005 10:45:51 AM PDT by Texas_Conservative2
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To: beyond the sea
Dittos

Rush is all over this right now.

16 posted on 09/01/2005 10:46:34 AM PDT by benjaminjjones
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To: NotchJohnson
"It's like they're punishing us." (and to all the other complainers)

You were told that the was cat 4 hurricane barreling down on the city and all the emergency systems would fail. Everyone must evacuate. (I heard the Mayor say this) So take your bitching somewhere else.

17 posted on 09/01/2005 10:46:47 AM PDT by oyez
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To: syriacus
"Why didn't Dan Rather do a report on New Orleans's precarious position in these recent years of increased hurricane activity?"

Do you really think Dan Rather cared about anyone but himself? LOL! Liberals ONLY care about themselves and when they feign concern it is ONLY at YOUR expense and politically motivated.
18 posted on 09/01/2005 10:46:52 AM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: NotchJohnson

How come the buses aren't moving and food and water aren't being distributed?


19 posted on 09/01/2005 10:47:54 AM PDT by Homer1
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To: Rodney King
"Then shut up and bury this lady, assuming that her family wants her buried in the median alongside the highway."

I see the LIVING as being a PRIORITY in a chaotic situation with scarce resources to help the living.
20 posted on 09/01/2005 10:48:01 AM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: NotchJohnson
multiculturalism

lol...that's the spirit

21 posted on 09/01/2005 10:48:06 AM PDT by wardaddy (will a tort lawyer in Mississippi file class action against God now?)
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To: nmh

In NO the morgue fills up every week end.


22 posted on 09/01/2005 10:48:10 AM PDT by oyez
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To: beyond the sea
The Great Society, the Age of Dependency, The Welfare Society ,........... speaks.

Europeans better pray they never have a disaster of this magnitude.
23 posted on 09/01/2005 10:48:12 AM PDT by John Lenin (Liberalism: Where shame is a virtue)
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To: NotchJohnson
"We are out here like pure animals."

And some of you are doing a good job acting the part.

24 posted on 09/01/2005 10:48:26 AM PDT by DTogo (U.S. out of the U.N. & U.N out of the U.S.)
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To: Texas_Conservative2

It is worse than most of us can imagine. But I'm not even sure this guy said what he did about Iraq. This story is sourced to the AP. Sounds like something they might doctor a story with.


25 posted on 09/01/2005 10:48:31 AM PDT by TXBubba ( Democrats: If they don't abort you then they will tax you to death.)
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To: Texas_Conservative2
WHY oh WHY didn't these people EVACUATE as they were TOLD to do?

WHY???????

Is it defiance? Is this the price for defiance?

27 posted on 09/01/2005 10:49:53 AM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: sionnsar

i bet those who got out are real sorry to be missing all the multiculturalism

feel the love


28 posted on 09/01/2005 10:49:57 AM PDT by wardaddy (will a tort lawyer in Mississippi file class action against God now?)
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To: onemoretimeuntothebreech
Welcome to FR, moron.

In case you haven't noticed, all that nonsense has nothing to do with the fact that a major natural disaster has occurred and it's difficult to reach those folks who, for whatever reason, chose not to heed warnings to evacuate the city.

Anyone attempting to use this disaster to score political points is the moral equivalent of a looter as far as I'm concerned.
29 posted on 09/01/2005 10:50:46 AM PDT by Antoninus (Dominus Iesus, miserere nobis.)
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To: nmh
Do you really think Dan Rather cared about anyone but himself?

Think of the acclaim Rather would be receiving now,
if he had investigated the dangers awaiting New Orleans.

30 posted on 09/01/2005 10:50:48 AM PDT by syriacus (You can't fool Mother Nature. Why didn't New Orleans codes require lifeboats for each residence?)
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To: onemoretimeuntothebreech

I totally agree with you. It is MORE than time to quit supplying other countries and their "needs" and take care of our own. Our foreign aid should be suspended (I, like you, would eliminate it entirely FOREVER.), as should the dues to the UN, the money headed for the Palestine Authority, money to Africa to combat AIDS, and other boondoggles too numerous to mention.


31 posted on 09/01/2005 10:50:50 AM PDT by ImpotentRage
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To: oyez

"In NO the morgue fills up every week end."

I didn't know it was THAT bad in normal times!

GEESH!

No wonder this is going on!!!!!


32 posted on 09/01/2005 10:51:06 AM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: beyond the sea

WTF??? One in five or one in ten didn't leave when they were told to do so?

Another legacy of the welfare state. Unless you go pick them up and cater to their every "need", they won't take care of themselves. With 3-4 generations of welfare, we certainly have bred the SURVIVAL GENE out of lots of the USA population.

If I hear one more sound bite or picture of a huge black woman bitching about not having any ICE when she has no place to store it or electricity to keep it for any length of time, I will have to go outside and puke, I swear.


34 posted on 09/01/2005 10:51:35 AM PDT by ridesthemiles (ridesthemiles)
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To: wardaddy

New Orleans didn't exactly become "multicultural" due to voluntary immigration, you know.


35 posted on 09/01/2005 10:51:37 AM PDT by LWalk18
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To: TXBubba

I wonder how many are at the convention center now.

" 12:38 P.M. - (AP): Two French Quarter hotels says federal officials have foiled their plans to hire buses to ferry guests to higher ground.

The general manager of the Astor Hotel at Astor Crowne Plaza says the hotels teamed to hire ten buses to carry some 500 guests.

But Peter Ambros says federal officials commandeered the buses, and told the guests to join thousands of other evacuees at the New Orleans convention center.

One man says he and others had paid $45 a seat for the buses, and that they were "totally stunned" when the buses never arrived. Another woman said the crowd had waited 14 hours for the buses. She says the idea of walking to the convention center scared her because of reports of looting.

The woman says it appears Louisiana officials have forgotten about tourists, and are just intent on getting their own residents out.


36 posted on 09/01/2005 10:51:46 AM PDT by No Blue States
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To: syriacus
Personally, I try NOT to think about him.

He used to piss me off with his self righteous and condescending attitude.
37 posted on 09/01/2005 10:52:12 AM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: NotchJohnson
""I don't treat my dog like that," 47-year-old Daniel Edwards said as he pointed at the woman in the wheelchair. "I buried my dog." He added: "You can do everything for other countries but you can't do nothing for your own people. You can go overseas with the military but you can't get them down here."

You can also apparently sit right there doing nothing but complain. The left lied to you. The government can't and shouldn't solve all your problems. You eventually have to get off your rump and help your self or others.

38 posted on 09/01/2005 10:52:36 AM PDT by avg_freeper (Gunga galunga. Gunga, gunga galunga)
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To: warchild9
People are dying in the streets of the South, while Halliburton pads its contracts with MY money in a far-off land. And you can only blame clichees.

1. It is fair game to debate if we should be in Iraq, but:

2. There is no real reason to think that this situation would be any different if we weren't, and:

3. Drop the Halliburton crap. It's silly, and makes you look like you don't know what you are talking about.

39 posted on 09/01/2005 10:52:51 AM PDT by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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To: onemoretimeuntothebreech

stop the war in Iraq. The hell with the Iraqis...bla bla




Get a grip - you are no help and your comments stink of desperation and Cindy Osama. Get a grip.

What we need is calm and reason. The war on terror - Iraqi theater - will stop when we win. There is no alternative.


40 posted on 09/01/2005 10:52:52 AM PDT by eleni121 ('Thou hast conquered, O Galilean!' (Julian the Apostate))
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To: Homer1
How come the buses aren't moving and food and water aren't being distributed?

Could have something to do with the fact that there is 2-3 feet of water around the Superdome and the Convention Center and that certain idiots are taking occasional pot-shots at the rescuers.
41 posted on 09/01/2005 10:53:33 AM PDT by Antoninus (Dominus Iesus, miserere nobis.)
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To: oyez

It would appear like at least 80,000 people stayed in Orleans during the Hurricane...which doesn't make much sense. And I'd bet at least 3,000 are dead by the time they count those bodies...with another 200 dead shortly from disease or heart-attacks. Why the state didn't roll in buses or military trucks to get these folks out...or sue Amtrak to just get them over to Texas...makes one wonder. Of course, the same dimwits kept waiting for someone to pay for their flood protection, which wasn't that great.

But at this point...there ought to be 10,000 Guardsmen in the city...and not a single person ought to be remaining there after tomorrow. I doubt seriously that this will happen. It will be at least a week before enough Guardsmen arrive, and at least 10 days before everyone is forced out of town. I see the Guardsmen having to kill at least 40 robbers before things get right. And there will be senate meetings later to explain who gave the order and why "innocent" people had to die on the street with TVs in their hands.


42 posted on 09/01/2005 10:53:34 AM PDT by pepsionice
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To: Rodney King

"Remember: Never, EVER, let the government heard you into any kind of enclosed encampment of facility. You are better off on your own".





Every time we have a hurricane, the Sheriff's patrol rides down the road telling us to evacuate, and I just wave, and close the door. Once you enter a shelter, your butt belongs to them.


43 posted on 09/01/2005 10:53:36 AM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (LET ME DIE ON MY FEET IN MY SWAMP, ALEX KOZINSKI FOR SCOTUS)
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To: NotchJohnson

MSNC and CNN are hysterical over the situation. Absolutely hysterical.
" Babies are dying."
"Dead bodies everywhere."
The camera man seemed desperate to find a dying baby, but, I only saw sleeping babies.
But, if what the mothers say is true-they have no formula, no bottles, no diapers -
this could spin out of control very rapidly.
They must triage and get the mothers and children out ASAP.
The first time a camera man can find a baby that has died-the media will go beserk.
The security and flood situation they admit, is making help very difficult.
Buses are lined up- empty , but, MSNBC reports the drivers are refusing to come in, because of the looters.
But, something has to change on the ground very soon or by tonight ,
Brian Williams will be calling this our own Rwanda.


44 posted on 09/01/2005 10:53:38 AM PDT by Wild Irish Rogue
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To: onemoretimeuntothebreech
"I don't treat my dog like that," 47-year-old Daniel Edwards said as he pointed at the woman in the wheelchair. "I buried my dog." He added: "You can do everything for other countries but you can't do nothing for your own people. You can go overseas with the military but you can't get them down here."

Mr. Edwards belongs to that cohort of useless able-bodied males who couldn't think their way out of a paper bag if left on their own.

45 posted on 09/01/2005 10:53:48 AM PDT by Alberta's Child (I ain't got a dime, but what I got is mine. I ain't rich, but Lord I'm free.)
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To: nmh

Only an idiot counters scenes of people dying in the streets with "liberals," or any other mindless FR cliche: MSM/Clinton/blah blah blah.

Fact is, we got military help into the tsunami area within 48 hours, and $100,000,000 of MY money (and yours) on the spot in days.

The intellectual level of FR has fallen into the sink.


46 posted on 09/01/2005 10:53:59 AM PDT by warchild9
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To: No Blue States
" 12:38 P.M. - (AP): Two French Quarter hotels says federal officials have foiled their plans to hire buses to ferry guests to higher ground. The general manager of the Astor Hotel at Astor Crowne Plaza says the hotels teamed to hire ten buses to carry some 500 guests. But Peter Ambros says federal officials commandeered the buses, and told the guests to join thousands of other evacuees at the New Orleans convention center.

I would have stayed right in the hotel, which should have a good stockpile of booze.

47 posted on 09/01/2005 10:54:02 AM PDT by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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To: onemoretimeuntothebreech

Welcome Newbie.


48 posted on 09/01/2005 10:54:42 AM PDT by Blogger
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To: NotchJohnson

So if I lived or was considering to move to San Francisco I would think twice. There is a paralel here. Both cities were the 2 main cities that were talked about.


49 posted on 09/01/2005 10:55:05 AM PDT by NotchJohnson
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To: onemoretimeuntothebreech
We waste too much men and money on people overseas who, when push comes to shove, don't give a damn about us and would turn on us in a New York minute.

You're not a student of Christianity, are you? That's exaclty how a Christian nation acts. If you've got a problem with that, there are pleny of non-Christian nations you can emmigrate to.
50 posted on 09/01/2005 10:55:52 AM PDT by Antoninus (Dominus Iesus, miserere nobis.)
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