[JohnnyZ]

What I mean by a coupling or packaging scam is legislation which calls for overdue increased penalties for employers who hire people here illegally , more border agents and the like accompanied with this amnesty crap.

So you're saying you'd rather have the current broken system than a comprehensive solution to the illegal immigration problem?

Anything pro-immigrant is labeled 'amnesty' and demonized.

[COEXERJ145]

Anything pro-immigrant is labeled 'amnesty' and demonized.

In the minds of the Buchananites/Tancredoites, Yes.

[mikemikemikecubed]

History and common sense tells us the the underlying ideas of the Mccain - Kennedy and Coryn - Kyle bills are failed ideas. Let's go back to 1986 when people here illegally were granted amnesty. The stated rationale for the policy was to decrease illegal immigration. Has illegal immigration decreased since 86? No, rather, it has drastically increased. I'm for a plan as opposed to the lax laws and enforcement we have now. My plan includes much tougher penalties for those who hire people here illegally, punitive provisions dealing with Mexico's complicity in illegal border crossing, preventing people here illegally from receiving welfare and other goodies from the states, doing away with banking schemes that favor people here illegally, cracking down on the illegal documents trade and rewarding those who try to migrate here through the proper channels.

[Pelham]

And anyone leaving off "illegal" is just one more liar pushing the open borders line.