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To: hinterlander
Conservatives strongly oppose the bill, which Tancredo said is tantamount to amnesty.

Tancredo’s bill instead focuses on enforcement, particularly on companies that employ illegal immigrants. He said once illegal workers are denied jobs, they will no longer flood into the United States.

If we pass Tancredo's bill the companies will just move to Mexico.. It is not illegal to hire Mexicans in Mexico.

The companies will just need to find some Mexican supervisors to replace the American supervisors they will let go.

Tancredo's policy is really designed to move small business manufacturing to Mexico and do it as soon as possible.

Of course we could prevent small American companies from moving to Mexico. Then the American companies could close down when they could not compete and Mexicans would get to own some new Mexican companies.

It was the same thing a hundred years ago. American companies wanted cheap labor so we had huge numbers emigrating from Europe.

The anti emigration people got strict laws passes that required every emigrant to have emigration papers signed by their home government and possess a birth certificate. The law was simple.. Arrive at Ellis Island WITH OUT PAPERS and they woulc be sent back to their native land.

Huge numbers of Italians came to the USA. There was just one little problem. They could only be let into our nation illegally. You see most of them came with out any emigration papers or even a birth certificate. The only way we knew they were Italians was they spoke the language like a native.

We followed the law and turned them back right? NO WE LET THEM IN .... Americans who did not want them let in gave them a derogatory name.. They called them WOPs... Which is shorthand for illegal emigrant. They were let in with out legal emigration papers. They were... With Out Papers or WOPs.

William Jennings Bryan was the Democratic presidential nominee three times during this period. One of his main issues was stopping the flood of emigrants. His pitch to voters did not work. He was massively defeated 3 times.

The people that benefit from illegal emigrants vote.. The people opposed to illegal emigrants tend to be lower demographic types who don't vote.

Anti illegal emigration has never been a winning issue.

39 posted on 09/02/2005 9:04:50 AM PDT by Common Tator
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To: Common Tator; All
The people opposed to illegal emigrants tend to be lower demographic types who don't vote.

Take a good look at this sentence, all you people who voted for Bush expecting he'd enforce the law and secure the borders. All you people with clinics that are failing because of unreimbursed demands by illegals for services. All you people whose district schools are overcrowded and failing with illegals who can't speak English. All you people whose neighborhoods have become blighted and crime-ridden because of an influx of illegals. All you people worried about another terrorist atrocity like 9/11.

Look at that sentence. Feel the contempt and arrogance dripping from it. Ask yourselves if you're merely a "lower demographic type" who "doesn't vote," and whose views and concerns can in no way equal that of corporations.

And then go vote. Vote based on how the candidates stand on illegal immigration and border security. Vote these arrogant, moneyed bastards out. Vote in more patriots like Tom Tancredo.

49 posted on 09/02/2005 9:24:02 AM PDT by Map Kernow ("I hold it that a little rebellion now and then is a good thing" ---Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Common Tator
Louisvill;e, August 6, 1855

"Louisville's streets were filled with gangs of boys and men, some masked, drunk on whiskey, with firearms and clubs, out to kill foreigners....

... a mob of more than 500 stormed its way south on Shelby toward Broadway.

...In this German area, people were beaten and killed, windows broken, buildings burned and taverns destroyed.

At the Courthouse, where there was much brawling, another mob formed. Taking a cannon from the grounds, the crowd followed Capt. D.C. Stone up Main Street to the head of Jefferson. Joined there by rioters from Shelby Street, their objective was Armbruster's Brewery, ... After "liberating" the liquor, the building was burned. No one could escape without being shot, and seven or eight burned to death in its cellar. Indeed, by mid-afternoon 20 buildings were torched in that area.

As day waned, attention turned to the Irish and the Eighth Ward. ... In addition to several buildings, 12 structures owned by Francis Quinn were set ablaze. Here, too, no man, woman or child was permitted to escape (Quinn was shot while attempting to flee). Many burned to death as fire brigades were instructed to save only the surrounding properties. At midnight, the inky sky glowed crimson as fires burned themselves out. Meanwhile, the stench of death hung over the city.

A new day brought to view the full horror as the August sun "drank the vapors from literal pools of blood that stagnated in our familiar streets," one newspaper reported. That morning, remains were taken to the coroner's office for the inquest. Among them were "a man and woman locked in each other's arms -- her head thrown between his breast and arm, as if to protect her face from the devouring flames." Two-thirds were foreign born. For these heinous acts, there was no justice done, with each inquest reporting, "Came to death at the hands of persons unknown."

"And if a stranger sojourn with thee in your land, ye shall not vex him. But the stranger that dwelleth with you shall be unto you as one born among you, and thou shalt love him as thyself. . . ." (Leviticus 19:33-34). "

55 posted on 09/02/2005 9:40:11 AM PDT by bayourod (Blue collar foreign laborers create white collar jobs. Without laborers you don't need managers.)
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To: Common Tator
Anti illegal emigration has never been a winning issue.

But it will be this election. Wake up and pay attention, the hand writing is on the wall, the republican party ignores it at their peril.

That is all I have to say on this issue, the next two elections will either prove me right or wrong.

88 posted on 09/02/2005 11:20:33 AM PDT by itsahoot (Any country that does not control its borders, is not a country. Ronald Reagan)
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To: Common Tator

Whoever you are, you should not vote.You appear to be a lower demographic type because of your lack of knowledge of history and your misuse of the English language.

I am a person on the border with Hispanics intermarriages and I have three post secondary degrees, as do most of my relatives down here.

We are all opposed to illegal immigration for many reasons. We do not see your scenario as realistic.

The maquiladora program already did its bit and fell to China et al. The management of those companies tended to be American.

WE VOTE.


95 posted on 09/02/2005 11:46:06 AM PDT by amihow
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To: Common Tator
The people that benefit from illegal emigrants vote.. The people opposed to illegal emigrants tend to be lower demographic types who don't vote. Anti illegal emigration has never been a winning issue.

How does one "emigrate" illegally? Unless you are wanted by your home nation for a crime and you leave emigrating is easy: You just leave.

Now. Illegal immagration is another matter altogether. I am against illegal immigrants wholeheartedly.

96 posted on 09/02/2005 11:57:17 AM PDT by raybbr
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To: Common Tator

By the way, if you wish to emigrate from the U.S., either legally or illegally, be my guest.


98 posted on 09/02/2005 11:58:48 AM PDT by raybbr
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To: Common Tator
Anti illegal emigration has never been a winning issue. I wonder then why we have laws against it. Must have been some mistake. Surely after 9/11 the American people realize that we don't need such laws, let alone they be enforced./sarc
107 posted on 09/02/2005 12:33:23 PM PDT by planekT (lower demographic voter)
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To: Common Tator

"Huge numbers of Italians came to the USA. There was just one little problem. They could only be let into our nation illegally. You see most of them came with out any emigration papers or even a birth certificate. The only way we knew they were Italians was they spoke the language like a native."

Most Italians came WITH papers. I challenge you to cite a source which says otherwise. They also came legally - through established ports of entry. The entire southern border is not a "port of entry."

ALSO....

"We followed the law and turned them back right? NO WE LET THEM IN .... Americans who did not want them let in gave them a derogatory name.. They called them WOPs... Which is shorthand for illegal emigrant. They were let in with out legal emigration papers. They were... With Out Papers or WOPs."

BS

http://www.billcasselman.com/wording_room/wop.htm

A plausible source of the word wop is the Spanish adjective guapo, pronounced approximately 'wopo' or 'hwopo,' depending on dialect. Its prime and sensuous meaning is 'beautiful' or 'handsome.' As a noun it came to mean 'dandy" or 'foppish male.' Then, says one theory I don't agree with (see why below), Spanish soldiers sent to Sicily took guapo meaning 'dandy' with them where the word entered Sicilian dialect as guappo. The word made its way north in Italy to become part of the dialect of Naples also. Italian guappo turned into a term of affection among Italian men who, when some of them immigrated to the United States in the late 19th century, carried the word to America as a term of male affection.

You are full of it.


114 posted on 09/02/2005 1:32:10 PM PDT by adam_az (It's the border, stupid!)
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To: Common Tator
"It was the same thing a hundred years ago."

We are indebted to you for the history lesson, but that was then--this is now.

"Anti illegal emigration has never been a winning issue."

Yet.

143 posted on 09/02/2005 3:46:44 PM PDT by Czar (StillFedUptotheTeeth@Washington)
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To: Common Tator
If we pass Tancredo's bill the companies will just move to Mexico.. It is not illegal to hire Mexicans in Mexico.

Or Congress could increase the number of legal immigrants that we let into the United States. It is not illegal for American companies to hire Mexican citizens who are in the United States legally.

It was the same thing a hundred years ago. American companies wanted cheap labor so we had huge numbers emigrating from Europe.

The anti emigration people got strict laws passes that required every emigrant to have emigration papers signed by their home government and possess a birth certificate. The law was simple.. Arrive at Ellis Island WITH OUT PAPERS and they woulc be sent back to their native land.

Huge numbers of Italians came to the USA. There was just one little problem. They could only be let into our nation illegally. You see most of them came with out any emigration papers or even a birth certificate. The only way we knew they were Italians was they spoke the language like a native.

We followed the law and turned them back right? NO WE LET THEM IN .... Americans who did not want them let in gave them a derogatory name.. They called them WOPs... Which is shorthand for illegal emigrant. They were let in with out legal emigration papers. They were... With Out Papers or WOPs.

But the Italians were let in only after they were processed through Ellis Island by United States immigration officials. This processing included determining the immigrant's name, general health, job skills, financial resources, and education level. Illegal aliens who sneak into the United States today aren't processed or checked for anything.

156 posted on 09/02/2005 5:13:03 PM PDT by judgeandjury
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To: Common Tator

In other words, we must subsidize illegal hiring practices or else?


220 posted on 09/03/2005 12:09:31 AM PDT by rmlew (http://nycright.blogspot.com/)
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To: Common Tator

You continue to be such a breath of fresh air at FR.

Thank you!


262 posted on 07/24/2006 8:46:15 PM PDT by Rex Anderson
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To: Common Tator

My stars but that is one good post.... and you didn't even have to mention the first quotas ever imposed, which were on the Chinese who had come to the west coast to work on the railroads, speaking of jobs americans just wouldn't not do in the required numbers....


263 posted on 07/25/2006 7:58:31 AM PDT by PDR
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