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Katrina Live Threads, Part XV
Various ^ | 4 September 2005 | Various

Posted on 09/04/2005 6:14:35 PM PDT by NautiNurse

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To: NautiNurse

Hillary is going to use the hurricane in a big way.

She's going to submit legislation to make FEMA an independent agency, like it was under her husband's administration.

http://freerepublic.com/focus/news/1477728/posts?page=5


861 posted on 09/05/2005 7:28:27 AM PDT by Peach (South Carolina is praying for our Gulf coast citizens.)
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To: owl37; BurbankKarl

Los Angeles might not be able to guarantee the safety of innocent people, either. There's also a lack of housing for them. I couldn't imagine trying to house them at the Staples Center. It would be a nightmare for those people.

My bf told me that crews cleaned up the housing on the former George AFB, for fire victims, but it wasn't needed. Maybe we could take in families? We have a criminal element up here, but nothing like L.A.

As for getting reimbursed, I think Bush won't tolerate anyone getting stiffed.


862 posted on 09/05/2005 7:29:25 AM PDT by TheSpottedOwl ("President Bush, start building that wall"!)
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To: NautiNurse
I swear, that's the first time hearing any conjecture about the levee being broken on purpose.

It must've been the CIA. First they made crack widely available, then they demolished the levee, and now they're targeting Nagin.

Is there nothing they won't stoop to? LOL.

863 posted on 09/05/2005 7:29:27 AM PDT by NittanyLion
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To: Peach

Air Force One landing in Baton Rouge


864 posted on 09/05/2005 7:30:25 AM PDT by NautiNurse (The task before us is enormous, but so is the heart of America.)
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To: NittanyLion

That presser was unbelievable!


865 posted on 09/05/2005 7:31:24 AM PDT by NautiNurse (The task before us is enormous, but so is the heart of America.)
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To: All

Am I having a Senior Moment, or has President Bush NOT used the phrase "life as normal" during this crisis?


866 posted on 09/05/2005 7:32:37 AM PDT by Uncle Ike (Place not your faith in governments or the artifices of man)
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To: NautiNurse

So, what did I miss since early yesterday besides Hitlery asking for a commission, the NO police actually protecting with deadly force against armed thugs, the 17th St. Canal breach all-but-plugged, and now President Bush kicking a$$ again?


867 posted on 09/05/2005 7:33:08 AM PDT by steveegg ($3.00 a gallon is the price you pay for ANWR! Start drilling or stop whining! - HT Falcon4.0)
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To: Peach
Notice how the media is Sheenanizing the mayor. All his nutty statements are hidden or ignored. Can't allow his credibility to be diminished. They need him to attack Bush.
868 posted on 09/05/2005 7:34:44 AM PDT by Patriot from Philly
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To: NautiNurse

A report from Ground Zero - Biloxi, MS

via email:

Still no word coming in from Biloxi Miss. Kessler Air Force Base, where Liz works, has issued a "Don't Move" order to all it's troops, which means Liz can't leave Panama Beach, the place she last told them she was. Very little of Kessler remains standing from what we hear. To stay apprised of what's going on at Kessler check out http://www.keesler.af.mil/ .

At one point it looked as though Vlad and Liz were going to lose their hotel room since the resort had bookings for the Labor Day tourists. This has since been resolved and they now have the room through the weekend...though the hotel did jack up their room rate. The "Don't Move" order, however, doesn't extend to civilians. So Vlad, being Vlad, has loaded up the truck with as much extra water, gas, food, and tools as he can carry and this morning has decided to try and navigate what's left of the highways and is going to try to get into Biloxi. If he's able to get to the city he is going to assess the situation with their home and remove whatever the storm hasn't destroyed or the looters haven't made off with. If there is any amount of salvageable stuff he is going to start shuttling it to his Aunts home near Mobile, Alabama.

He has been told that where ever you go down there, plan on the trip using twice as much gas as you would estimate due to the impassable conditions of the roads. In addition to that, gas prices and availability are far from certain. He's heard the last available gas before he gets to the effected area is in Pensicola, Fl., some 100 mi from Biloxi.

[Friday 10pm]

Vlad Update 5 - From Ground Zero

The last I had heard from Vlad this afternoon, he was talking to an MP in Alabama who was turning him around because he didn't have the right permit to travel. Vlad then headed of to what ever was passing for the local seat of government to get his paper work.

He just called me from his 'neighborhood'. It's likely what's left standing will have to be leveled. As soon as he pulled up some of his neighbors, who were hanging around a grill in front of one of the remaining structures, came up and welcomed him back. They asked him if he brought a firearm with him, otherwise he could borrow one of theirs while he assessed his property. Vlad assured them he was covered. The neighbors all took turns lifting up their shirts and displaying their hardware. "Lots of looting going on" they said. "A bunch of houses have already been hit." Vlad declined their offer to share in the BBQ and headed off to find his ...house. As with everything else so far, some bad, some not so bad. One remarkable thing is that the four walls stood. That was the difference between some things being salvageable instead of a total loss. Great luck seeing that the storm surge, once it got to Vlad's house, judging by the watermark on the outside of the house, crested at 10 feet. Liz's car was whisked off the parking pad and wedged into a fence. The motorcycle is probably dead. Both car and cycle spent the last week submerged in salt water and probable won't run again. The exterior storage unit Vlad built was smashed all over the neighborhood. The patio furniture, probably washed up in the Dominican Republic.

Inside the house was a little better. First off, everything is a "horrendous mess". Although the water was 10 feet outside, the walls holding only let 5 feet of water into the house. All the ceilings have collapsed. A good portion of the shingles were ripped off the roof. There is a thick coating of fuzzy white mold on "everything, absolutely everything". Everything wreaks. Everything they can salvage will have to be extensively cleaned ("and where the hell do we clean it...", Vlad mused. All the furniture is a total loss. Some of the hard wood antiques might be saved with a great deal of restoration. His sword collection is a fused and rusted hulk. Some things like the clothes that they bagged and put on the top shelves of closets are recoverable. Things that are metal and glass seem to have done the best. Mostly what there is to save is the little stuff. . "I bring gas, water, tools, everything I think I'll need, and the one thing I want now is a cardboard box to put stuff in." There isn't an intact one anywhere to be found. Since there really isn't that much to save Vlad is foregoing the trip to his Aunts, where he was going to drop off whatever he took, and is instead going back to Liz.

All things tolled, best case scenario Vlad might be able to save maybe 30% of what he owns... if it doesn't deteriorate before he gets back. He pulled a couple of tarps over the holes in the roof in case it rained again, in an attempt to save what's left. In the end the house will have to be bulldozed.

The Military Police told him he'd probably want to get out of there by dark. "This is not a place you want to be after sundown" they said. They're still not letting the military personnel out of the shelter. It should be at least 3-4 weeks before they let non-essential troops, like Liz, come back. Before he left Vlad made a deal with hid neighbors who were going to stand as armed guards on their own property. He gave them one of his 5 gallon containers of gas and told them he bring them back as much as he could next trip if they would watch over hit lot too.

Vlad drove back to Liz in Panama Beach tonight. On the drive back he said "You just wouldn't believe some of the sights...Stuff blown up 30...40 feet up in the trees, still hanging there,...like clothes, lumber, shopping carts...crazy...like something out of Aster's backyard." (If you know Aster you'll understand)


869 posted on 09/05/2005 7:39:41 AM PDT by SauronOfMordor
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To: buickmackane

Go look up what the Red Cross local, regional and national directors make and you'll never give them a dime.

The reason they want everybody registered is the federal government reimburses them for the per person cost.

Much of the donations go to salaries, benefits and offices for the higher ups.


870 posted on 09/05/2005 7:40:38 AM PDT by El Laton Caliente (NRA Member & GUNSNET.NET Moderator)
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To: lugsoul
The NRP flat out says that issues of allocation of authority should not delay the response.

So in a track relay do you look to the fourth leg as reason they didn't finish after the third leg drops the baton? NOLA had some basic responsibilities for a risk they had both long term knowledge of and resources to cope with for a period of time. They were to evacuate their citizens, move those who were unable to evacuate to secure, stocked shelters where they could be sustained for 3-5 days and maintain civil order.

871 posted on 09/05/2005 7:42:41 AM PDT by Dolphy
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To: Patriot from Philly

I suspect there is more here than meets the eye. Not all turf wars are Conservative v. Liberal. I got the feeling that the Fema head has many unfriends.


872 posted on 09/05/2005 7:44:42 AM PDT by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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To: Malichi
Didn't Martinez pull this same bullsh*t after Andrew?

If you're going down that road, lets not leave out the ol' He-Coon, Walkin' Lawton

873 posted on 09/05/2005 7:44:52 AM PDT by ThreePuttinDude (Salvation Army 1-800-SAL-ARMY)
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From nola.com, scroll down a ways for the full article:

http://www.nola.com/newslogs/tporleans/index.ssf?/mtlogs/nola_tporleans/archives/2005_09.html#076981

French Quarter forges on with stubborn hearts

'We're not helpless,' says cleanup crowd

By Bruce Nolan
Staff writer

(snip)
Watford, his companion, Ashley McCoy, and a few friends swept leaves and branches accumulated from Hurricane Katrina and dumped them in city trash barrels. The place looked parade-ground perfect.

"It's our neighborhood. We're not helpless," Watford said. "We can fix it ourselves. We don't have to wait for anybody."

Watford and McCoy rode out the hurricane two blocks away on Dumaine Street, and three days ago they began sweeping there, out of pride and a desire to kill the boredom.

"You should see where we live," Watford said. "Our street looks like nothing ever happened."

On Saturday, they swept St. Anne and St. Peters streets flanking Jackson Square; Sunday was for the Place John Paul.


874 posted on 09/05/2005 7:44:55 AM PDT by texasbluebell
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To: SauronOfMordor

(note: that report is from a guy I know personally, and covers events on Friday)


875 posted on 09/05/2005 7:45:03 AM PDT by SauronOfMordor
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To: comitatus; Peach

Thank you for taking the time to write and post this.

Thanks for the ping Peach.


876 posted on 09/05/2005 7:45:28 AM PDT by prairiebreeze (I'm a proud adorer of the Cross. Up yours, Zarqawi.)
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To: SauronOfMordor

OMG - Had chills reading your post. Thank you very much for the MS update.


877 posted on 09/05/2005 7:45:49 AM PDT by NautiNurse (The task before us is enormous, but so is the heart of America.)
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To: texasbluebell

Is this what happened to Snowball (for all those who have been wondering what happened to him)?

From same link as 874:

Agencies trying to save stranded pets

Pets may get rescued from homes

By Sandra Barbier
Staff writer

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The Jefferson Parish Animal Shelter has not received many calls about rescuing pets from homes, shelter director Bert Smith said. Whether they do "will depend on the kind of calls we get. We'll try to deal with any situation as best we can."
The shelter has been operating with a short staff and poor communications for several days, he said.

It evacuated 215 animals last Sunday to the Washington Parish Fairgrounds. The hurricane knocked out the area's water and electricity Monday. "We were sleeping in our cars," Smith said.

Shelter workers emptied the fairgrounds with the help of Best Friends, which took 130 of the animals, and individuals who volunteered to temporarily keep the rest, he said.

"We got back here Friday and were called to pick up pets at the I-10 and Causeway," where evacuees were waiting for buses to take them out of New Orleans, he said. "There were thousands and thousands of people and hundreds and hundreds of pets . . . They weren't letting them (evacuees) take their animals with them."

Smith said the human and animal misery and suffering overwhelmed shelter workers, who picked up 55 cats and dogs and a ferret. "It was back-breaking," he said. The animals were taken to Jefferson Parish's west bank animal shelter, which had water and electricity.


878 posted on 09/05/2005 7:46:54 AM PDT by texasbluebell
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To: NautiNurse; Mo1; Howlin; Peach; BeforeISleep; kimmie7; 4integrity; BigSkyFreeper; RandallFlagg; ...

http://ngs.woc.noaa.gov/katrina/KATRINA0000.HTM

Click on the squares to get to smaller squares and then to the laaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarge pictures.


879 posted on 09/05/2005 7:49:12 AM PDT by OXENinFLA
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To: lugsoul; Rokke; FreedomCalls; EBH
Fine. If you want to maintain that some sort of state action was a prerequisite to Federal action, go right ahead. What I'm saying - which is the same thing I said initially - is that the language of the NRP does not appear to me to offer any support for that position.

I have no desire to sit here and argue esoterica regarding the language of either the NRP or the Stafford Act. The NRP flat out says that issues of allocation of authority should not delay the response. So it makes no sense to argue that a delayed response was caused by issues of allocation of authority.

The issue isn't allocation of authority. The governor has lots of it, and she is still capable of exercizing it.

I agree - no sense in additional discussion on the point. We go our separate ways on it.

880 posted on 09/05/2005 7:51:06 AM PDT by Cboldt
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