Posted on 09/05/2005 10:46:52 PM PDT by Lorianne
1. A huge shelter like the Superdome is unmanagable on any level as a shelter, simply due to the numbers involved. It's simply not sustainable.
2. A system of smaller shelters would give redundancy to the system, so that if one shelter goes down or is disabled there are others in the area. Plus fewer people would mean less vulnerability to crime.
Another idea is for shelters to segregate single adult or young adult males (without families) away from the families and children.
I heard on Tony Snow tonight that of the 95 (small) shelters available in NOLA, only 9 were used.
Yes they were avoidable. There were THOUSANDS of able bodied men in that dome that could have protected the women and the weak. They could have BUT they were too busy shopping downtown of tearing the seats out.
As this was happening, FR moderators were pulling all threads that discussed the issue.
Relief organizations are CHARITIES, and as such, have NO obligations whatsoever.
Goddamned communists in AI.
The 2004 Hurricane Pam Exercise identified 784 shelters outside of the New Orleans area and called for finding more up to 1,000.
"The interagency shelter group identified the need for about 1,000 shelters for a catastrophic disaster. The shelter team identified 784 shelters and has developed plans for locating the remaining shelters............State resources are adequate to operate shelters for the first 3-5 days. The group planned how federal and other resources will replenish supplies at shelters. "
The plan, however, envisioned the complete evacuation of New Orleans as the New Orleans flood bowl had the potential of catastrophic failure of the levy system leading to the destruction of 500,000-600,000 buildings.
The bottom line is that planning never envisioned leaving 200,000 people stranded inside the New Orleans flood bowl.
If the levies had failed catastrophically, we could have had a human death toll of Hiroshima proportions.
The governor and mayor together were 100% responsible for security at the Superdome. The Feds plays no part.
The mayor commands the local police force and the governor commands the national guard.
Common decency and civility is an obligation. And it includes to make sure women are not raped. Sorry you think that is communism.
Why not use schools as shelters?
"No firearms, alcohol or drugs are allowed in shelters, children must be with their parents at all times"
Ummm... After second thought, I think I will moderate myself and pull my comment :-)
You may not be old enough to remember but in the 1940's there were plenty 'rumors' of what was happening to the Jews in Germany and Poland. FDR turned a blind eye for a long time.
Hopefully FR is not going down the 'blind eye path'.
Rapes are always avoidable. All you need to avoid them is a society that instills respect for other people and a sense of personal responsibility and basic human decency in its young people. We used to have have one of those before the advent of the mass media and the welfare state. Once again, thanks, liberals!
NO, it is NOT. Common decency and civility is what is expected from civilized people; the problem is that very few of the Superdome and Convention Center folks were civilized. What happened to the thousands of people that stood around and watched while the rapes were committed? Don't they have an obligation to help the victims?
The communists of AI assume that the relief organizations are REQUIRED to "police" their clients. Sorry, that is what the police are for. The aid groups have enough on their plate providing food, clothing, and shelter.
Sorry, but if "common decency and civility" were really an obligation, millions of US citizens would be in jail for that violation alone.
Sheila Dauer: Master of the Obvious.
What does she/it propose doing about it, now that the dome has been evacuated?
Agreed!
It is an obligation of civilized society, not a legal imposition. Many people, in stories I have read, displayed those traits at the Superdome and protected many women and children. Unfortunately, not enough did so.
Tonight on the San Antonio news they had a Texas nurse who was stuck in the River something Mall in NO.
She and seventy five other people banded together, and went up to the food court. They organized a bathroom area with plastic buckets, an area for the ill where she helped as the medical person. They prepared food to eat. I was impressed by her story.
She said there was looting, and sexual assaults going on in the lower level. They could hear the women screaming. It was quite horrific. But the seventy five people who had banded together were safe until their rescue after five days.
I am past the point of caring what happens to New Orleans.
Look at Liberia to see how far some "American" peoples have evolved socially and culturally, and New Orleans. Water World's socialist Democrat Plantation had a riot among the sheeple. Who could have imagined?
Today I caught myself thinking it would be great if another Cat 5 would hit it right now that it is empty of people who could be hurt.
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