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House.Gov ^ | 9/8/2005 | Congressman Ron Paul

Posted on 09/09/2005 9:17:19 AM PDT by xt5rt45

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To: Mr. Silverback
Clinton cited any number of legitimate security concerns when he advanced that bill. Clinton specifically cited the possibility that Iraq might pass WMDs to terrorists or use them on U.S. troops or allies.

I'll make two points in response to that.

1. I find myself questioning the sanity of any Freeper who cites Bill Clinton as a reliable measure of why the U.S. went to war in Iraq.

2. One of the most baffling aspects of the run-up to the war in Iraq in late 2002 and early 2003 was the way so many so-called "conservatives" were willing to accept the same silly "weapons of mass destruction" mantra that was nothing more than a deliberate campaign by the Clinton administration had used to garner political support among soccer moms with double-digit IQs.

If anyone has any doubts about either of these points, just ask yourself why the Clinton administration suddenly determined that Iraq represented some kind of major threat to the U.S. in the fall of 1998 after it became clear that Bill Clinton was going to be impeached.

Then ask yourself why those "legitimate security concerns" suddenly vanished in early 1999 -- only to be replaced by "mass graves in the Balkans" as the primary foreign policy concern of that sh!tbag administration.

141 posted on 09/09/2005 12:18:11 PM PDT by Alberta's Child (I ain't got a dime, but what I got is mine. I ain't rich, but Lord I'm free.)
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To: kublia khan

Well said, sir.


142 posted on 09/09/2005 12:22:29 PM PDT by Mr. Silverback ("It's diabolical...It's lemon scented...this plan can't POSSIBLY fail!")
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To: xt5rt45

ping


143 posted on 09/09/2005 12:23:05 PM PDT by pfony1
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To: Happy_in_the_center

Smells funny!

144 posted on 09/09/2005 12:23:09 PM PDT by MarineBrat (When it rains, New Orleans makes its own gravy.)
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To: xt5rt45; 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
RT, you off your meds again?


145 posted on 09/09/2005 12:25:09 PM PDT by Lady Jag (The Goat-Vendor of Hamelin, and Expounder of Troll Logic)
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To: Mr. Silverback

"You know what really sucks? Some clueless Al Jazeera 'journalist' will tell the arab world that Ron Paul is a conservative, and considered very strong on defense, blah-blah-blah..."

Al Jazeera has it's agenda that is for sure. I don't think they are anywhere as clueless as we would like to think. They must operate via. deceit. Misinformation is their method much like most of the world's news media. Shade the facts with one's own version, to propagate one's ideologies.


146 posted on 09/09/2005 12:25:40 PM PDT by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned)
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To: xt5rt45

It demonstrates an unbelievably short-sighted ignorance of what the situation really was in Iraq pre-OIF, particularly coming from an elected official who has the information resources to know better.


147 posted on 09/09/2005 12:26:28 PM PDT by No Longer Free State (Saddam Hussein harboured and paid terrorists. Any questions?)
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To: sheltonmac
Please detail the material differences between the '02 Congressional authorization and a declaration of war.

(Hint: Don't waste your time, you won't find any.)

148 posted on 09/09/2005 12:27:24 PM PDT by Mr. Silverback ("It's diabolical...It's lemon scented...this plan can't POSSIBLY fail!")
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To: xt5rt45; StarCMC

149 posted on 09/09/2005 12:31:35 PM PDT by Lady Jag (The Goat-Vendor of Hamelin, and Expounder of Troll Logic)
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To: sheltonmac
So the "work our troops do" is always noble and necessary, no matter what?

Please feel to detail what are troops are doing in Iraq that is ignoble. How many terrorists have you killed this year?

But I suppose you consider him to be a treasonous scoundrel as well.

Being an idiot does not make one a traitor. Neither does being a liar. But when he lies in his polemic essay, he does come awful close. You might have the excuse of ignorance. Paul doesn't.

150 posted on 09/09/2005 12:32:31 PM PDT by Mr. Silverback ("It's diabolical...It's lemon scented...this plan can't POSSIBLY fail!")
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To: BykrBayb

And I am proud of him too.

What in the world is going on here?

I have only one thing to say and someone said it much better than I. God bless our troops AND their mission

Steve Newton

War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things:

The decayed and degraded state of moral thinking,

which thinks NOTHING is worth war, is much worse.

a man who has NOTHING for which he is willing to fight

and NOTHING he values more than his own personal

safety is a miserable creature who will never be free

unless made and kept so by the efforts of better men

than himself.



151 posted on 09/09/2005 12:33:59 PM PDT by Steve Newton
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To: StarCMC; Mr. Silverback
The original poster is just the start Mr.S. Sometimes I think the mods let some of these people hang out just so we can keep our talons sharp.

Yes, and so the VK won't starve.


152 posted on 09/09/2005 12:34:50 PM PDT by Lady Jag (The Goat-Vendor of Hamelin, and Expounder of Troll Logic)
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To: Steve Newton

AMEN!


153 posted on 09/09/2005 12:35:57 PM PDT by Lady Jag (The Goat-Vendor of Hamelin, and Expounder of Troll Logic)
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To: Steve Newton

Been a while since I've read that. It gave me goose bumps. I don't know whether or not my son has ever read that, but he will tonight. Thanks.


154 posted on 09/09/2005 12:38:54 PM PDT by BykrBayb (Impeach Judge Greer - In memory of Terri <strike>Schiavo</strike> Schindler - www.terrisfight.org)
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To: sheltonmac

BTW, for the reasons I use the term "lie," see my posts 126 and 130 in this thread.


155 posted on 09/09/2005 12:44:33 PM PDT by Mr. Silverback ("It's diabolical...It's lemon scented...this plan can't POSSIBLY fail!")
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To: darkwing104
Target rich?   Target poor!





156 posted on 09/09/2005 12:46:40 PM PDT by Lady Jag (The Goat-Vendor of Hamelin, and Expounder of Troll Logic)
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To: Alberta's Child

if Saddam wasn't building WMD why did he send the head of his nuclear program to Niger to buy nuclear materials?


157 posted on 09/09/2005 12:47:08 PM PDT by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric cartman voice* “I love you guys”)
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To: xt5rt45

Ron Paul for President in 2008!


158 posted on 09/09/2005 12:58:40 PM PDT by WhiteGuy (Vote for gridlock)
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To: xt5rt45
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159 posted on 09/09/2005 1:04:16 PM PDT by Delta 21 (Its only funny till someone gets hurt, Then its HILARIOUS.)
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To: BykrBayb

Your very welcome sir

And give him the thanks of an old Marine/Navy vet.

Steve Newton


160 posted on 09/09/2005 1:21:35 PM PDT by Steve Newton
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