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To: M. Espinola
Are you serious quoting Franklin "doughface" Pierce, once again exposing your pro-slavery sentiments?

Wrong. No one here is expressing an PRO-slavery sentiments - Abraham Lincoln was pro-slavery, as he supported a constitutional Amendment making slavery PERMANENT.

546 posted on 09/26/2005 11:43:59 AM PDT by 4CJ (Tu ne cede malis!)
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To: 4CJ
"Wrong. No one here is expressing an PRO-slavery sentiments - Abraham Lincoln was pro-slavery, as he supported a constitutional Amendment making slavery PERMANENT."

Your continued support for the 'neo-confederate' movement by way of always defending the likes of Jefferson Davis, pro-slavery sellouts such as Franklin Pierce, coupled with condemnation of anyone who worked for the end of slavery clearly indicates which side you wanted to win the Civil War.

A 'Confederate' (victory) would have reinforces existing slavery and expanding the Old South westward, not to mention wholesale slaughter for all Americans opposed no matter where they resided.

Attempting to spin it anyway you like and never being up front is very typical of your type. The comments you print repeatedly exemplify your positions to anyone who reviews them.

547 posted on 09/26/2005 12:00:27 PM PDT by M. Espinola (Freedom is never free)
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To: 4CJ
Wrong. No one here is expressing an PRO-slavery sentiments - Abraham Lincoln was pro-slavery, as he supported a constitutional Amendment making slavery PERMANENT.

See, now here you're just out and out lying. I usually have more respect for you, even if I don't agree with your positions or interpretations. Nothing Lincoln ever said can be remotely construed as "pro-slavery." What he did offer the south was an amendment forbidding the federal government from outlawing the institution. And he'd already said many times that he didn't think he had the constitutional authority to outlaw it. That's why the Emancipation Proclamation didn't actually free the slaves. It took the 13th amendment to do that. There was, however, nothing in the proposed amendment that would have stopped the states from eliminating it on their own, as all of the northern states had already done.

You guys are good at miscontruing intentions. If the north didn't hang all the confederate leaders for treason, it's because they were anxious to repair the union and move on, not because the south was legally in the right. If Lincoln offered to prevent the federal government from outlawing slavery, it's because he was trying to save the union, not because he was somehow pro-slavery.

548 posted on 09/26/2005 12:03:12 PM PDT by Heyworth
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