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Racist or not, we either have free speech or we don't. If the left-wingers have the "free speech" to engage in overtly treasonous behavior, then this kid should have the free speech right to express his own beliefs, however odious.


10 posted on 09/15/2005 10:51:09 AM PDT by thoughtomator (Gentlemen may cry, "Peace! Peace!" -- but there is no peace. - Patrick Henry)
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To: thoughtomator
we either have free speech or we don't we don't
21 posted on 09/15/2005 10:53:21 AM PDT by SF Republican
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To: thoughtomator

"Racist or not, we either have free speech or we don't. "


Oh, we have free speech. This kid exercised it. Free speech has only to do with the government restricting your speech.

Seems to me like the kid expressed himself. So, apparently, did the kid who punched him. You've heard of "fighting words?" This is an example of that.

Consider how you might react if some kid had a t-shirt with a picture of your daughter on one side and the words, "Nice Piece" on the back. Just think about it, and then think about a cartoon showing two black people being dragged behind a car in nooses.

The kid's lucky he is still around.


28 posted on 09/15/2005 10:54:33 AM PDT by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: thoughtomator
You have free speach, but just in the Dixie Chick incident, you also have to hear other people's chagrin to your free speach.

Lesson: Keep your radical ideas to yourself, dumbass.

35 posted on 09/15/2005 10:55:11 AM PDT by TypeZoNegative (Future Minnesota Refugee)
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To: thoughtomator
Racist or not, we either have free speech or we don't. If the left-wingers have the "free speech" to engage in overtly treasonous behavior, then this kid should have the free speech right to express his own beliefs, however odious.

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Fighting words concept. You might not have felt compelled to hit but the law recognizes that your freedom of expression is not armor against those whom you have obviously chosen to offend. I hope he knocked him out.

43 posted on 09/15/2005 10:58:18 AM PDT by wtc911 (see my profile for how to contribute to a pentagon heroes fund)
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To: thoughtomator
"...this kid should have the free speech right to express his own beliefs, however odious."

Well, he does. He also bears the responsibility of any hostility his "speech" may have incited.

With rights come responsibility. It's a miracle that idiot hasn't lost both.

48 posted on 09/15/2005 10:59:15 AM PDT by azhenfud (He who always is looking up seldom finds others' lost change.)
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To: thoughtomator
"Racist or not, we either have free speech or we don't."

Actions have consequences. You may think all speech is free but that is incorrect. The First Amendment protects your speech from GOVERNMENT interference. Your neighbor may still legally bash your nose if you speak "fighting words".

87 posted on 09/15/2005 11:06:57 AM PDT by NetValue (No enemy has inflicted as much damage on America as liberals.)
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I think the courts have ruled that certain types of speech can be restricted in schools if that form of speech is an impediment to the learning procees for other students. Sory of a modified you can't yell fire in the movie house sort of thing. I think this would certainly apply here.


88 posted on 09/15/2005 11:07:01 AM PDT by Ignatius J Reilly
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Free speech does not include the right to threaten murder.

The boy's shirt called for the murder of blacks.

134 posted on 09/15/2005 11:19:01 AM PDT by Gelato
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To: thoughtomator

"Racist or not, we either have free speech or we don't. If the left-wingers have the "free speech" to engage in overtly treasonous behavior, then this kid should have the free speech right to express his own beliefs, however odious"

Defending the racist here because of some misused rights is like the ACLU defending pedophiles who "only publish literature" (ie., how to seduce a kid). Yes, the racist has a right to be a jerk, and not get hit because of it - I say, So what?

Unrelated to my take on your take:
If I saw someone burning an American Flag, and nobody was looking - and I could take him - I'd have to beat his ass. Then I'd spend the next week looking over my shoulder in fear that somehow I'd get caught for it, but that's another story.


138 posted on 09/15/2005 11:20:35 AM PDT by mudblood
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Incitement to riot trumps free speech.


145 posted on 09/15/2005 11:23:27 AM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (Public Enemy #1, the RATmedia.)
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To: thoughtomator
Racist or not, we either have free speech or we don't.

We have the right to free speech. We don't have the right to consequence free speech. I'd say that shirt got the reaction it sought (and deserved).

149 posted on 09/15/2005 11:26:09 AM PDT by Antonello
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IMO, you are right on this as anybody will be on anything on this forum today. Free speech is either free or it ain't (and now, this is NOT equivalent to yelling Fire! in a crowded theater...in that case, people at least have a reason to start acting apeshit).


175 posted on 09/15/2005 11:36:47 AM PDT by John Robertson (Safe Travel)
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To: thoughtomator
Racist or not, we either have free speech or we don't. If the left-wingers have the "free speech" to engage in overtly treasonous behavior, then this kid should have the free speech right to express his own beliefs, however odious.

Freedom of speech, within educational institutions, does not include the right to wear clothing with disruptive or offensive images or messages on them.

192 posted on 09/15/2005 11:43:25 AM PDT by VRWCmember
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To: thoughtomator
Racist or not, we either have free speech or we don't.

"Fighting words" are not protected.

260 posted on 09/15/2005 12:20:22 PM PDT by technochick99 (Firearm of choice: Sig Sauer....)
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To: thoughtomator
Racist or not, we either have free speech or we don't.

This wasn't just racist...this was advocating killing people.

279 posted on 09/15/2005 12:36:55 PM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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