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The Normality of Gay Marriages [Hurl Alert]
NY Times Editorial ^ | September 17, 2005 | Editorial Writer(s)

Posted on 09/17/2005 7:10:57 AM PDT by Pharmboy

There's nothing like a touch of real-world experience to inject some reason into the inflammatory national debate over gay marriages. Take Massachusetts, where the state's highest court held in late 2003 that under the State Constitution, same-sex couples have a right to marry. The State Legislature moved to undo that decision last year by approving a proposed constitutional amendment to ban gay marriages and create civil unions as an alternative. But this year, when precisely the same measure came up for a required second vote, it was defeated by a thumping margin of 157 to 39.

The main reason for the flip-flop is that some 6,600 same-sex couples have married over the past year with nary a sign of adverse effects. The sanctity of heterosexual marriages has not been destroyed. Public morals have not gone into a tailspin. Legislators who supported gay marriage in last year's vote have been re-elected. Gay couples, many of whom had been living together monogamously for years, have rejoiced at official recognition of their commitment.

As a Republican leader explained in justifying his vote switch: "Gay marriage has begun, and life has not changed for the citizens of the commonwealth, with the exception of those who can now marry who could not before." A Democrat attributed his change of heart to the beneficial effects he saw "when I looked in the eyes of the children living with these couples." Gay marriage, it turned out, is good for family values.

Some legislators who strongly oppose gay marriages also switched their votes this year for tactical reasons. They realized that the original measure was headed for defeat, and they had never really liked the part that created civil unions anyway. They are now pinning their hopes on an even harsher proposal...

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Editorial; Government; News/Current Events; US: Massachusetts; US: New York
KEYWORDS: gaymarriage; homosexualagenda; nytimes; pervertperverts; perverts; pervertspervert; samesexmarriage
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Yes--gay marriage will have no effect on society, and if you don't agree you're a homophobic Neanderthal.

Coincidentally, today was the first day that the Weekend Edition of the Wall Street Journal, highlighting a WE newsprint gap for people other than those living on the Upper West Side of Manhattan. As the Times bleeds subscribers, perhaps they will have to cut staff (but I bet it would be the straight ones that would be the first to go).

1 posted on 09/17/2005 7:10:58 AM PDT by Pharmboy
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To: Pharmboy
What is it about the word "NO" that liberals fail to understand?

An American Expat in Southeast Asia

2 posted on 09/17/2005 7:16:06 AM PDT by expatguy (http://laotze.blogspot.com/)
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To: Pharmboy
To say it's normal for a man to get sexually aroused by the thought of "making love" to his buddy's butthole is to say San Franciso is your typical American city.

-NOT-

3 posted on 09/17/2005 7:16:57 AM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: Pharmboy
Marriage of two people of the same sex = two left feet = bird with two left wings - it's a contradiction of terms.

People are supposed to conform to the laws of physics and morality, not change the laws of physics and morality to fit the aberrations.
4 posted on 09/17/2005 7:17:57 AM PDT by RoadTest (What Nation Has Ever Given A Timetable For Finishing A War?)
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To: TexasCajun

However, if his buddy's name is Audrey, then he might just be into doing it in the naughty place.... : )


5 posted on 09/17/2005 7:21:41 AM PDT by Hand em their arse
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To: RoadTest
Well put.

It's not rocket science, people...

6 posted on 09/17/2005 7:22:10 AM PDT by LongElegantLegs (Fines for excess bleeding.)
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To: Pharmboy
If my history serves me correct, Rome fell in something like two weeks right!!!

From a worlds omni power to bread and circuses to placate the masses before the hordes invaded by seeing her weakness.

< / sarcasm >

"slippery slope" must not be in their lexicon

7 posted on 09/17/2005 7:22:16 AM PDT by Popman (In politics, ideas are more important than individuals.)
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To: RoadTest; All

What really got me angry was the headline.


8 posted on 09/17/2005 7:22:58 AM PDT by Pharmboy (There is no positive correlation between the ability to write, act, sing or dance and being right)
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To: Pharmboy
Some legislators who strongly oppose gay marriages also switched their votes this year for tactical reasons.

Spineless scumbags!
Vote them out!!!

9 posted on 09/17/2005 7:23:29 AM PDT by Leo Carpathian (FReeeePeee!)
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To: Popman

For the Times, the slippery slope is lubricated with KY Jelly. (Sorry--couldn't resist).


10 posted on 09/17/2005 7:24:46 AM PDT by Pharmboy (There is no positive correlation between the ability to write, act, sing or dance and being right)
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To: RoadTest; scripter; little jeremiah
People are supposed to conform to the laws of physics and morality, not change the laws of physics and morality to fit the aberrations

I like that analogy. Exit v. Entrance

11 posted on 09/17/2005 7:25:38 AM PDT by Clint N. Suhks (If you don't like Jesus, you can go to hell.)
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To: Leo Carpathian

That sentence struck me also--but because it's a LIE! Every national poll has shown the majority is against gay marriage.


12 posted on 09/17/2005 7:26:28 AM PDT by Pharmboy (There is no positive correlation between the ability to write, act, sing or dance and being right)
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To: Popman
"slippery slope" must not be in their lexicon

Yeah, it is, but "slope" has nothing to do with it.

13 posted on 09/17/2005 7:26:41 AM PDT by xcamel (No more RINOS - Not Now, Not Ever Again.)
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To: Pharmboy
Public morals have not gone into a tailspin.

Uhhhhhhmmm....when you redefine morals down then immoral behavior becomes "moral". Kinda like giving every kid in the class an "A" and declaring them all geniuses.

14 posted on 09/17/2005 7:28:31 AM PDT by randog (What the....?!)
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To: Pharmboy
normality in gay marriage

Isn't that an oxy moron?

15 posted on 09/17/2005 7:34:31 AM PDT by rockabyebaby (I'm not afraid to say out loud what the rest of you are afraid to admit.)
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To: Pharmboy

Is this the same NY Times that claimed God was dead?


16 posted on 09/17/2005 7:35:21 AM PDT by crazyhorse46
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To: Pharmboy
“Gay marriage, it turned out, is good for family values.”

Sodomy is not a family value.

17 posted on 09/17/2005 7:37:48 AM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: Pharmboy
The part that gets me is when they introduce each other, like this is my husband, How can a man have a man for a husband.
18 posted on 09/17/2005 7:50:02 AM PDT by lillybet
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To: lillybet

The world turned upside down...


19 posted on 09/17/2005 8:15:23 AM PDT by Pharmboy (There is no positive correlation between the ability to write, act, sing or dance and being right)
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What this article of course ignores is that you wouldn't expect gay marriage to have an adverse affect as soon as it begins. People are still careful with it and proud of new found recognition. But that's not really the main issue.

It's not so much what happens now as what happens with the next generation when kids grow up thinking that maybe choosing a sex to marry is part of all of this. That marriage is just about being "happy" and "in love" and that having a family really isn't THAT important.

My prediction: expect birthrates to decline if this becomes the norm. Indeed, it's not just what happens in the gay community over this, but what happens in the much larger heterosexual community.

Of course, we were all told that accepting children being born out-of-wedlock as standard practice, that allowing unilateral divorce would have no effect on the percentage of children born outside of marriage or the divorce rate. Yeah, that turned out to be true *rolls eyes*


20 posted on 09/17/2005 8:15:51 AM PDT by CheyennePress
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