Here are just a few. From the "farm team," so to say.
Posted on 09/26/2005 7:50:14 PM PDT by Kimmers
Groucho, Chico, Zeppo, Gummo or Harpo?
I was walking along Raval (in Barcelona) when all of a sudden I understood that Europe died with Auschwitz. We assassinated 6 million Jews in order to end up bringing in 20 million Muslims!
Speak for yourself Sebastian. 'We' did nothing of the sort. Fanatical socialists of the 3rd Reich did the deed, convinced that their State had been given the power to kill by majority will.
We burnt in Auschwitz the culture, intelligence and power to create.
The socialist authoritarians killed those they had no use for. They believe most individuals are interchangeable pawns of the State.
We burnt the people of the world, the one who is proclaimed the chosen people of God.
The national socialist's thought themselves to be superior people.. -- The socialistic idea that some men have special abilities, that they have the 'culture, intelligence and power' to create rules for the rest of us, this idea is at the heart of the madness of Auschwitz, and of that in Mecca.
I think Europe was bludgeoned to death in August 1914.
One of the things the Nazis did, was to turn nationalism into almost a crime after the war.
Now if you express a love for your country, people equate you with the Nazis, you are not supposed to be nationalistic, we are now supposed to be "citizens of the world."
Their problems with us are just starting.
They don't have the protestors we do.....Where is THEIR Cindy Sheehan and John Kerry and Hillary Clinton?
Your do not understand the history of the period. Hitler's genocide was well known and clearly understood from the mid 30s by every Western leader. We - the Allies - chose to do nothing. The US did nothing. It was not our problem. There was rampant hatred of the Jews throughout Europe and the US. There was no concerted effort on the part of any nation to undermine the genocide.
WE are responsible just as surely as we are responsible for slavery in our country's history.
The US and much of Europe have sought to overcome their failure to come to the rescue of the Jews by supporting Israel. Similarly we have sought to overcome the degradation of slavery.
We have not, however, even begun to understand the culture of death we continue to celebrate. That is the profound message of the writer.
...and is what is all this "we",
Good point, that I had to ponder awhile.
Could the "we" be in reference to the many that stood by while Hitler slaughtered so many? Therefore, are the "we" that ignored Hitler partially responsible for their deaths?
Fast forward....We now have a president that is choosing not to ignore what is happening. It is unfortunate that many lives have been lost but I believe lives saved are in greater numbers in both the born and the unborn.
Maybe the authors' "we" is a warning for the world not to ignore Islam....
Excellently put!
btt for later
"Hitler's genocide was well known and clearly understood from the mid 30s by every Western leader."
Which genocide ?
Truly amazing "We".
SirJohn may be long in tooth, but I am not so old as to have given Hitler a green light for the murder of the Jews or to have owned slaves.
I do not believe in "collective guilt." I have quite enough faults and sins of my own, thank you very much, without needing to heap on myself those of certain European leaders of the 30s or slaveowners of the 1800s.
Look, I am not being dense here; I fully understand the author's point. The use of "we" can be an effective rhetorical device to underline an argument, and no doubt I've slipped into that a time or two. But we need to be careful, because this kind of fuzzy thinking is just one step short of liberalism (such as the group guilt concept of "social justice" and other oxymorons) or worse.
Here are just a few. From the "farm team," so to say.
Yes, Poles did nothing (there were the Allies too), instead of resisting Hitler they joined the Axis. Yes, Serbs did nothing, instead of challeging Hitler they formed pro-Nazi government in Yugoslavia. Yes, Greeks did nothing, instead of helping their Serbian friends they helped Hitler in invading Yugoslavia. Yes, we Poles, Serbs and Greeks are very guilty and we should pay reparations.
Quite!
Everyone was pretty sure what the Nazis were going to do. It wasn't as much of a shock as we think today. Perhaps we could draw parallels to today.
What ?
Interesting interpretation. A lot of truth to it.
The Jews that were murdered were an intelligent, hard working and ironically even patriotic people in Europe. Many Jews fought for Germany in WWI. Today Europe has taken in a huge population of people who do not feel European, don't share the values, and even despise the culture they live among.
Red6
Sir John,
I am fully aware of the trap that collective guilt has gotten us into. That is not what I am hearing here. It is more a matter of collective unconscious, it you will.
I agree that it is not helpful to extrapolate from the general to the specific. I certainly feel no guilt for Auschwitz or for slavery and I stand foresquare against Muslim fanatics. Our society, however, has been late to all of these parties.
By society I do not mean government. You might enjoy a discussion of that fine distinction at "Freeper Investigation: Original Intent and Constitutional Jurisprudence": http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1487129/posts?page=119#119
As a society we remain guilty of the fuzzy thinking that tolerates a culture of death.
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