Posted on 09/26/2005 7:50:14 PM PDT by Kimmers
I know that you were not being dense, based on the simple but hearty content of your original post.
Once again, your post is thought provocking.
Thank you, I like your thoughts.
Not really. Before 1939 Hitler was admired everywhere (including USA - he was made the Man of the Year by the Time Magazine TWICE!) as a great leaders who saved his nation from Great Depression and from humilation.
The problem is that people who want to avoid the fate of Chamberlain invent the "second Hitlers" like Milosevic and help really bad guys (like Islamists invading Balkans).
The next Hitler will come the most unexpected direction. The history does not follow predicable Hollywood scripts and Hollywood movies are the main source of popular historical insight. Few people read Aristotle or Machiavelli, almost nobody reads Thucydides or Simone Weil.
Yes, it is rather reminisent of the 4th Century except that instead of fighting to the last like the Romans, this time Europe opened the gates and welcomed the Barbarians with open arms. The result will be the same.
In the 30's, everyone knew the Germans were going to attack at some point. Even Mussolini asked for more time to build his military. Jews were leaving Germany en masse with tales of repression.
Blasphemy.
In Hollywood movies, yes. Not in the REAL world. Even in Poland which was close to Germany, knew Germans and feared them those who were warning against Hitler were often dismissed as cranks (my father likes to say that when his was a boy in 1930's he was telling to his parents and relatives "Hitler will attack out country and will kill us all" and they were making fun of him)
I am telling you again, the Hollywood movies show the FAKE history.
Well, it is different for Islamic countries (visa permits etc.) You may mean enforcment policy. Again, different from the story.
There was some famous American who was either part of or used by the anti-semitic National Socialists ... I think it was Lindberg, but I'm not sure.
Expound please.
Red6
The socialist authoritarians killed those they had no use for. They believe most individuals are interchangeable pawns of the State.
The national socialist's thought themselves to be superior people..
-- The socialistic idea that some men have special abilities, that they have the 'culture, intelligence and power' to create rules for the rest of us, this idea is at the heart of the madness of Auschwitz, and of that in Mecca.
Amos the Prophet wrote:
Your do not understand the history of the period. Hitler's genocide was well known and clearly understood from the mid 30s by every Western leader. We - the Allies - chose to do nothing. The US did nothing. It was not our problem.
Hindsight is always perfect. Both history & our Constitution told us at the time that it was truly "not our problem" to interfere in the politics of national socialists. -- Or of the communists, who were actually practicing genocide in the 20's & 30's.
There was rampant hatred of the Jews throughout Europe and the US. There was no concerted effort on the part of any nation to undermine the genocide.
Nazi genocide did not start till well after '39, according to the history of the period that I've read. How could we make a 'concerted effort to undermine it' before declaring war?
WE are responsible just as surely as we are responsible for slavery in our country's history.
Speak for yourself Amos. -- We the people of the USA are bound by our Constitution, in which we abolished slavery, but wherein we have not yet assumed responsibility for policing the world.. -- And I doubt we could, even if asked.
The US and much of Europe have sought to overcome their failure to come to the rescue of the Jews by supporting Israel. Similarly we have sought to overcome the degradation of slavery. We have not, however, even begun to understand the culture of death we continue to celebrate. That is the profound message of the writer.
We in the US, when we follow the constitution, celebrate a culture of freedom, not death.
I can agree that many of our constitutional principles are not being followed. -- Can you?
That is disgusting..........point well taken
The "large scale head examination" has to start with the voters and they do not respond well to such exams. Example: how many voted for Kerry and how many for Bush, both of whom appear to be for illegal immigration? As for abortion, only the RATs are for it. This gives the Pubbies a large ethical and moral edge, but abortion continues unabated. We are on the down slopes of the Republic with an avalanche roaring just behind us. Who or what will save us?
Auschwitz, Dachau, et al indeed magnified the thought of death as a 'final solution' as policy. But was Auschwitz the end of the beginning or the beginning of the end?
Check the Communist killings in Russia, China, Cambodia and the advocacy of sides in today's Near East. Not to mention abortion, euthanasia as problem solvers. The last Pope has written on 'The Culture of Death'. Pervasive.
Death as a solution is not dead.
This is absolutely false. There are many Republicans who are openly and unabashedly pro-abortion. In fact, before Roe v. Wade, abortion was first legalized at the state level under the influence of Republican governors -- Nelson Rockefeller in New York, and Ronald Reagan (yes, Ronald Reagan) in California.
The GOP is only considered a "pro-life" party today because it is now dominant in parts of the country that used to elect conservative Democrats.
I am not sure I understand your concern. I was referring to John's concern that we guilt trip ourselves individually by acceding to general complaints. In a politicized society such as our it is always the case that there are dominant themes - such as political correctness - that are anathema to some individuals. I may personally disagree with some politically correct attitude such as open borders which the society at large tolerates and even encourages.
I believe there is a meaningful distinction to be made between the WE of cultural character and the ME of individual character. They are not each the same in all times and places.
I referred directly to the writer's admonition that WE are engaged in a culture of death. In that abortion and STDs are dominant themes in the life of this culture, I would maintain that this culture is thereby engaged in activities that promote innocent and needless death. Society tolerates these behaviors. It does not stop them.
I am not sure where we are going with this. What do you believe is the salient issue between the WE and the ME?
Yep, I have to agree with you. There will at some point have to be adjustments, the question is who will do the adjustments.
It was earlier than that. All that was noble in the spirit of Europe was thrown into the buzz saw in WWI. The grip of Communism and Fascism were a direct result.
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