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To: Hushpuppie
The 14th ammendment does say all persons born within the United States are citizens. I see no problem with that

However can anyone explain to me where it says in the Constitution that their criminal parents are entitled to anything just because they gave birth to a citizen?

Every day, U.S. citizens who commit certain crimes lose their parental rights and their children. So why is it any different for illegals?

Regardles of their children, they themselves are still illegal. They are still criminals. That crime should qualify for them to have their parental rights revoked and their children taken from them and adopted by people who are citizens or here legally. Surely if the illegal immigrant parents truly wanted what is best for their children, they would not disagree. Illegal immigrant parents who simply want to use their children as surrogate green cards for their own selfish benefit are a different matter.

That would put an end to the whole "anchor baby" issue, and wouldn't require any changes to the Constitution or terms of citizenship.

27 posted on 09/29/2005 1:38:55 AM PDT by pillbox_girl
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To: pillbox_girl

I like your idea, but I think I could settle for:

a - every adult register in some way or lose access to gov benefits.

b - agree to take so many hours of classes in English / citizenship over the next _ years or leave.

c - serious border enforcement.


32 posted on 09/29/2005 2:01:36 AM PDT by Not_Who_U_Think
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To: pillbox_girl

Yeah, but the 14th Amendment remains pristine in relationship to the current problem of illegals in the country for purposes of giving birth for purposes of gaining things from the country (or otherwise).

An Amendment can be clarified by other actions, updated. That's the beauty of our Constitution...


115 posted on 09/29/2005 2:33:54 PM PDT by BIRDS
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To: pillbox_girl

I also think that the 14th Amendment does indicate that it's benefits don't apply to certain characters, certain presences that pose an affrontation/threat to the country.

Many people do already agree that illegal aliens fulfill just who and what the Amendment says is not to be included in it's provisions.


116 posted on 09/29/2005 2:35:21 PM PDT by BIRDS
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To: pillbox_girl
Regardles of their children, they themselves are still illegal. They are still criminals. That crime should qualify for them to have their parental rights revoked and their children taken from them and adopted by people who are citizens or here legally. Surely if the illegal immigrant parents truly wanted what is best for their children, they would not disagree. Illegal immigrant parents who simply want to use their children as surrogate green cards for their own selfish benefit are a different matter. That would put an end to the whole "anchor baby" issue, and wouldn't require any changes to the Constitution or terms of citizenship.

This was already changed by statute, about 10 years ago. A child born here to an illegal alien is a U.S. citizen, but cannot petition for his or her parents to stay here until the child is 18. The net effect is that, unless the child is put up for adoption, the parents have to take the child with them when they are deported.

135 posted on 09/29/2005 4:25:21 PM PDT by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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