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To: PatrickHenry
"As scientists go about their business, they follow a method," Pennock said. "Intelligent design wants to reject that and so it doesn't really fall within the purview of science."

Actually, it is the opposite. Scientists that reject the possibility of a higher intelligence as the designer of the Universe, do not follow the scientific method. If one removes a possibility from the probability of out comes, they create holes in their conclusion.

"...Whenever all other possibilities have been ruled out, the improbable, however unlikely, must be the truth "

3 posted on 09/29/2005 4:08:54 AM PDT by 11th Commandment
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To: 11th Commandment
Scientists that reject the possibility of a higher intelligence as the designer of the Universe, do not follow the scientific method.

How would a higher intelligence as the designer of the Universe be tested? What hypothetical observation would falsify the claim that a higher intelligence designed the universe?
4 posted on 09/29/2005 4:12:08 AM PDT by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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To: 11th Commandment
"As scientists go about their business, they follow a method," Pennock said. "Intelligent design wants to reject that and so it doesn't really fall within the purview of science."


"Actually, it is the opposite. Scientists that reject the possibility of a higher intelligence as the designer of the Universe, do not follow the scientific method."

Seems "crystal clear" man has invented a "method" and nobody but nobody is going to mess with their invention. Interesting times watching man protect his "method" of operation.
8 posted on 09/29/2005 4:21:33 AM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: 11th Commandment
Amen to your post.

The question of origins is largely a matter of history—not the domain of applied science. Contrary to the unilateral denials of many evolutionists, one’s worldview does indeed play heavily on one’s interpretation of scientific data, a phenomenon that is magnified in matters concerning origins, where neither repeatability, nor observation, nor measurement—the three immutable elements of the scientific method—may be employed. Many proponents of evolutionism nevertheless persist in claiming exclusive “scientific” status for their popularized beliefs, while curtly dismissing (if not angrily deriding) all doubters, and spurning Darwin’s advice. http://www.trueorigins.org/

12 posted on 09/29/2005 4:28:31 AM PDT by fortheDeclaration (Gal.4:16)
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To: 11th Commandment
Actually, it is the opposite. Scientists that reject the possibility of a higher intelligence as the designer of the Universe, do not follow the scientific method. If one removes a possibility from the probability of out comes, they create holes in their conclusion.

Have you always been anti-science and anti-education? The scientists are following the scientific method. It is you that doesn't even know what the scientific method involves. Otherwise, you would not be making statements that are completely backwards. Postulating the concept of a 'designer' is one thing, but it has no testable premises. Science will have to be warped beyond recognition in order for ID to be taught as science. ID is capitualtion on learning about our universe. It basically says it's too complicated to understand. My head hurts from thinking about it so someone smarter must have done it all. If that is the case, scientists can hang up their lab coats. The explanation "God did it" will be the final answer. No need for research anymore. Trying to get ID into a classroom is nothing more than intellectual affermative action.

47 posted on 09/29/2005 5:49:22 AM PDT by doc30 (Democrats are to morals what and Etch-A-Sketch is to Art.)
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To: 11th Commandment
Actually, it is the opposite. Scientists that reject the possibility of a higher intelligence as the designer of the Universe, do not follow the scientific method. If one removes a possibility from the probability of out comes, they create holes in their conclusion.

You certainly don't know many scientists it seems.

53 posted on 09/29/2005 5:57:15 AM PDT by RadioAstronomer (Senior member of Darwin Central)
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The scientific method is not being used these days in many areas of "science".....scientific method requires that you examine all the data/evidence. These bigoted scientists won't even look at data/evidence outside their preconceived notion of what the answer should be.

WHAT A JOKE....intelligent design made sense to most scientists up until Darwin vomited his black box THEORY on humanity. We are way beyond the black box because we are beginning to finally understand some of these highly complex systems he assumed were simple.

Physical systems and their components demonstrate methodical behaviors and patterns. This requires programming not random chance. There is so much intelligence and information embedded in every single atom, only a fool, once they have actually looked at it with an open mind, could dismiss design over random chance and absolutely improbable statistics of evolution.


74 posted on 09/29/2005 6:16:40 AM PDT by applpie
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That's right. But, at the same time it is design that makes science possible.


271 posted on 09/29/2005 2:13:27 PM PDT by RightWhale (Repeal the law of the excluded middle)
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It is obvious to me that the majority of the people on this thread who oppose ID have not bothered to read any of the literature that is currently available. They buy into what the MSM says, and let that suffice. They would not do that on any other topic than this...amazing.


361 posted on 09/29/2005 6:20:18 PM PDT by LiteKeeper (The radical secularization of America is happening)
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