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People who should not be allowed to own guns:

• anybody on any wanted list or terrorist watch list or any list of that nature.

Yea!   Screw "due process".   Who needs it?   </sarcasm>

Unfortunately, in these modern times, the pen is no longer the most powerful weapon; the automatic rifle has taken its place.

I'll leave it to someone else to address this chronic bed-wetters' hyperbole regarding "automatic weapons".

1 posted on 09/30/2005 10:51:39 AM PDT by holymoly
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"The right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed" .. except in the following cases which I think make a lot of sense: blah, blah,blah,blah,blah,blah,blah,blah,blah,blah,blah,blah,blah,blah,blah,blah,blah,blah,blah,blah,blah,blah,blah,blah,blah,blah,blah,blah,blah,blah,blah,blah,blah,blah,blah,blah,blah,blah,blah,blah,blah


2 posted on 09/30/2005 10:55:29 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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automatic weapons have been banned in the usa for decades.


3 posted on 09/30/2005 10:56:02 AM PDT by camle (keep your mind open and somebody will fill it full of something for you.)
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Do I think it is acceptable for a “normal” citizen to own a gun for the purposes of self-protection and self-defense? Yes.

Thank-you for your permission, d*ckhead.

4 posted on 09/30/2005 10:56:12 AM PDT by chapin2500 (Revenge is a dish best served cold.)
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How would one mow down legions of UN Blue helmets, chinese, or rioters without an automatic??? If some folks dont own full autos, ambivilent whiners wont have anyone to protect them.


5 posted on 09/30/2005 10:56:13 AM PDT by samadams2000 (Nothing fills the void of a passing hurricane better than government)
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Also, when the founding fathers wrote that all American citizens should have the right to bear arms, there was no such thing as an automatic weapon.

There also were no carbines.

6 posted on 09/30/2005 10:56:26 AM PDT by umgud (Comment removed by poster before moderator could get to it)
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The author forgets that the 2nd Amendment is in place to defend the republic from foreign and domestic tyranny. You can't fight invading troops or domestically trained thugs effetively with pistols.


7 posted on 09/30/2005 10:56:51 AM PDT by Firefigher NC (Volunteer firefighters- standing tall, serving proud in the tradition of Ben Franklin.)
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"Is the government limiting the second amendment right to bear arms if it says to someone: “No, you cannot own a gun”?

No."

I wonder if he would feel the same with the govnment limiting the first amendment and forcing him to be sensored and his writing not allowed to be published.


8 posted on 09/30/2005 10:56:54 AM PDT by edcoil (Reality doesn't say much - doesn't need too)
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Four conditions on owning a gun? Let's start with those four conditions applying to anyone who writes, speaks or otherwise communicates through "the media." That probably wouldn't fly with all of those anti-gun writers. That "history of mental illness" would be a real tricky thing to handle.


9 posted on 09/30/2005 10:57:36 AM PDT by FreePaul
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He missed one.

Democrats should never be allowed to buy or own a firearm of any kind. They refuse to take responsibility for their actions, and they fail to hold other people accountable for what actions they take.


10 posted on 09/30/2005 10:57:38 AM PDT by Morgan in Denver
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If the author knew more about guns, I suppose he'd specify an allowable caliber too, since I notice he uses the phrase "to injure an intruder" instead of to kill and intruder.

Maybe everyong should be just be allowed to own a single shot pellet gun.


11 posted on 09/30/2005 10:57:41 AM PDT by Pessimist
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http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1492727/posts

Kashmiri Women Take Up Arms For Self-Protection
Middle East Times ^ | September 23, 2005 | Prakriiti Gupta


Posted on 09/28/2005 8:05:16 AM EDT by Fun Bob


MARAH, Jammu and Kashmir -- Women in Jammu and Kashmir have now picked up guns against Islamic militants to protect their homes.

At least 30 Muslim women in the disputed region to the north of India and Pakistan have constituted a separate all-women Village Defense Committee (VDC) and are operating with the Indian army in the forested mountains of Surankote in the Poonch district bordering the Pakistani side of Kashmir to fight militants.

"Now militants do not dare enter our village," said 18-year-old Nishat Bee, the youngest member of the group. Her companion, however, corrects her by saying, "In fact militants have not been this way since we picked up guns against them."

On a visit to the twin villages of Marah and Kulali, one finds tall, slender Muslim women sporting rifles on their shoulders while grazing cattle alone in deep forests or standing on top of the roofs of their homes to keep a watch on militants.

"I am proud to fight a Jihad [holy war] against marauders who have cheated us of our dignity and honor," says Shamima Akhter, the 30-year-old commander of this particular women's group.

"Militants who would force us to provide them shelter, food and at times to entertain them physically were harassing us physically and mentally. If we opposed them they would commit rapes or kill our family members. We wanted to confront them and the only way to do it was to acquaint ourselves with the basic functioning of guns and grenades," she added.

The majority of the men of this border belt work in Gulf countries leaving their women, children and elderly back in remote mountainous villages, the access to majority of which is through hours of rough walks that make the women soft targets.

It is common practice for the militants to seek shelter, food or seek sexual favors from these women, and in case of refusal, it is not unusual to rape or even kill them, using locals to work as porters on gunpoint in villages.

The Kashmir conflict traces its roots to 1947, when India and Pakistan simultaneously gained their independence from Britain. Pakistan was formed from the majority Muslim part of British territory, and India from the majority Hindu part.

The state of Jammu-Kashmir, with a majority Muslim population but a Hindu ruler, chose to be a part of India in a process that many believed to be illegal. Since then, India and Pakistan have fought three major wars over Kashmir, and close to 1 million have died in the violence. In 1989 the Kashmiri independence movement turned militant and began to promote the independence of Kashmir from India through violent means.

The VDCs were set up in Jammu and Kashmir in the mid-nineties following a number of massacres of the innocent inhabitants of the troubled region's far-flung villages. As there were no police or army pickets near these inaccessible villages, the Indian security forces provided military training to locals, and equipped them with weapons and wireless sets to counter militant attacks. At least 450 such VDCs are now functional in Jammu and Kashmir.

The foundation of this first women's VDC goes back to March 2003, when local Muslim priest Mir Hussain was killed by a group of mainly foreign Lashkar E-Tayyaba militants when he tried to stop the rape of his wife.

The priest's brother, Fazal Hussain, returned from the Gulf where he had been working, and with the help of the Indian army constituted the first ever-Muslim village committee in the border district of Poonch.

This group helped the Indian army destroy the biggest militant hideout in the famous Hill Kaka bowl in the mountains of Surankote in July 2003. At least 150 foreign militants were killed in the operation.

To avenge those killings, a Lashkar group in April 2004 attacked Kulali village and killed 14 women and children while the men were out on an operation.

Later, in June 2004, the militants executed another attack, which was repulsed by a woman, Khatoon Begum, who had learned to use a 303 Rifle from her son. Although she died in the attack her act helped save at least a dozen members of her family from Islamic guerrillas.

"Khatoon Begum's daring act lead to the foundation of all Muslim women VDC. We were supported by our husbands and fathers and thus trained ourselves in the operation of 303 rifles, SLRs, grenade throwing and other military aspects of how to react and repulse a militant attack", stated another women fighter, Shahnaz.

Tahira Begum, wife of VDC member Tahir Hussain Choudhary and mother of three says, "we want to live with honor and dignity and [for that] we have waged a war against these gun trotters [who are] a blot on the name of Islam.

"It is an amazing feeling to hold a gun in one's hand for a noble cause," Begum added. "On several occasions in the past eight months I have come across jihadis in the forests who are scared and who go into hiding. I am proud to be fighting a jihad against these marauders who cheated us of our dignity and honor."

Trained in the firing, basic handling and cleaning of weapons, as well as in battle craft and field craft drills, nearly every month these women go to nearby army camps to polish up on their shooting skills and to update their knowledge of weapons used commonly by terrorists.

"They have an extraordinary learning zest," said Indian army Public Relations Officer R.K Chhibber.

"We check on their fire ranges and other technical aspects almost every month. They also assist us in vital operations."


12 posted on 09/30/2005 10:58:18 AM PDT by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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"Also, when the founding fathers wrote that all American citizens should have the right to bear arms, there was no such thing as an automatic weapon. Guns that shot more than one bullet per pull of the trigger were not around. Now, there are guns that spray bullets easier than you can pick your nose.

Should these automatic weapons be legal?

NO. No, no, no. "

Yes. Yes, yes, yes.

'Single shot' guns were the 'weapon of the day' and were perfectly legal to own (cannons too).

Since that time, 'automatic weapons' and 'semi-automatic' weapons have become the 'weapon of the day'.


Liberals are always talking about the 'evolving' Constitution. But when it comes the Second Amendment, they just seem to want to leave that in the 'past'.


15 posted on 09/30/2005 10:59:12 AM PDT by Bigh4u2 (Denial is the first requirement to be a liberal)
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I've given up on these morons. They have no clue what the Founders had in mind when they wrote the 2nd. Not because they are inherently stupid, just that they are in complete denial about the prospect of a less than benign government. One more time: The RKBA is NOT about hunting or sport shooting; it IS about having the means to resist a government that oversteps its Constitutuional limitations. In that, the Founders intended to have a citizenry that had at least the same level of firepower as that of any standing [government controlled] army. That includes full auto weapons. Self defense against criminals is an added bonus.
17 posted on 09/30/2005 11:00:32 AM PDT by 45Auto (Big holes are (almost) always better.)
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"Also, when the founding fathers wrote that all American citizens should have the right to bear arms, there was no such thing as an automatic weapon. Guns that shot more than one bullet per pull of the trigger were not around. Now, there are guns that spray bullets easier than you can pick your nose.

Should these automatic weapons be legal?

NO. No, no, no. "


Well sorry buddy but back in the Revolution they merely had muzzle loaders...By your logic we should only own Muzzle loaders and Flint locks. Semi Auto was not around back then either...


19 posted on 09/30/2005 11:02:11 AM PDT by Xenophon450 (Seems like forever, my eyes have been denied...Home, I'm finally home.)
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• anybody whose medical records show a history of mental illness.

Any combat vet who has had his buddie's brains blown all over him...or one that saved his entire platoon who ended up being ordered to or needed to see any mental health professional during his/her enlistment or post enlistment ever diagnosed with PTSD?...including POWs and the severely wounded?

How about rape victims...taking into see mental health professionals....after having been in touch with the system they now have 'a record'...they should not be allowed to own weapons for self defense...even after having been raped and their rapist is still on the loose...or never convicted..or worse is now out of prison and looking for a little payback and whatever else he can take?

Once a lib always a lib

Just never quite get it...

Always looking for Govt. control to solve all the problems they seem to have with free people..who they see as out of step with their 'personal opinion' versions of reality which they also believe should be the only reality

imo

20 posted on 09/30/2005 11:02:15 AM PDT by joesnuffy
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No need to guess what this bimbo is going to be when she grows up.


I reckon that's why God made Prozac.



21 posted on 09/30/2005 11:03:04 AM PDT by G.Mason
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Also, when the founding fathers wrote that all American citizens should have the right to bear arms, there was no such thing as an automatic weapon. Guns that shot more than one bullet per pull of the trigger were not around. Now, there are guns that spray bullets easier than you can pick your nose.

At the time the First Amendment was written, the state of the art in printing was the Gutenburg press. Radio, TV, telephony, internet connectivity, computers, high speed printing, graphical design software and other improvement were not around. Now you can spew BS worldwide with the click of a mouse. Technology moves on in the press and in firearms.

22 posted on 09/30/2005 11:03:05 AM PDT by Myrddin
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I know a little girl who is as sweet as they come. Also pretty as a speckled pup. Also about as law abiding and kind as one could imagine.

She is only 5 feet tall and weighs 100 lbs.

This guy would not allow her to own a gun. The reason? She has been treated for anxiety for several years. Takes medication. I would trust her with my life or with the lives of my children tho. In fact I and quite a few others use her to baby sit.

Still she has been treated for mental illness and this guy thinks she is dangerous.

23 posted on 09/30/2005 11:03:14 AM PDT by yarddog
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If you have to ask permission... then it isn't a Right.

Liberals don't get this. Then again, neither do some supposed "conservatives".

24 posted on 09/30/2005 11:04:06 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (Anyone who needs to be persuaded to be free, doesn't deserve to be. -El Neil)
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This is so tiresome:

Automatic weapons require extensive and expensive federal permits just to own them. They are essentially unavailable to the average citizen.

At the time the constitution was written, citizens were allowed to have weapons every bit as powerful as those available to the military of the era. That is no longer the case.

One NEVER should shoot at an intruder or burglar just to "wound" them. If shooting is necessary, which should be only the very last resort, then the shot must be with the intent to end the confrontation. Otherwise, one is just providing the perpetrator the opportunity to return fire and injure/kill oneself or one's family. Police officers are taught to shoot to kill, if a shot is required, for just that very reason.
25 posted on 09/30/2005 11:04:22 AM PDT by LOC1
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