[OldSmaj]

BATF guys providing anti-party controll at a college football game?

Nah, I don't think that is conducive to public safety or good civil order.

This is not the middle east, guns are not normally recklessly fired into the air.

Had I been in that crowd, I "might" have taken a pot shot at the undercover ATF guy myself, just as a civic duty.

Please read my post at #31.

This guy was not an undercover ATF agent.

[sarasmom]

I appreciate you trying to explain to me the difference between federal and state non-LEO bureaucracies.
As a former Fed(DOD)type, I was aghast that DOD resources were expended, against the law, in drug interdiction activities.
Posse Commitatus.
No excuses, no exceptions.
And BTW, no way am I going to ever meekly allow anyone to put a gun to the back of my head, under any circumstance!
LEOs use lethal weapons as a last resort.
They do not normally "present arms" over drunken college students at football games.
In my former federal DOD capacity, I was fully prepared to shoot to kill any subordinate who refused to follow my lawful orders, or any superior who abused their authority.
But that was strictly DOD, not civilian, rules of engagement.