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To: SampleMan
As many of the disciple's letters directly steer Jewish Christians to avoid the requirements of Jewish law for Gentiles, your concentration on the Old Testament is curious.

How odd. Yeshua [Jesus] quotes more from the book of Deuteronomy than any other book. He does not speak a NEW word, but the SAME word. Maybe you haven't read His words recently. As for the Apostles, they quote so extensively from the Hebrew Scriptures, that fully one third of the 'New Testament' is a direct quote or a direct allusion to the Hebrew Scriputes.

Lastly, if you can find some place where the Apostles tell people to throw their Hebrew Scriptures away, please post it here (people from various orders have been looking for that for a long time, only to be disappointed). But here, I will let Paul speak for himself:

Paul making answer for himself: Neither against the law of the Jews, nor against the temple, nor against Caesar, have I offended in any thing. Acts 25:8

Having known me from the beginning (if they will give testimony) that according to the most sure sect of our religion I lived a Pharisee. Acts 26:5

And after the third day, he called together the chief of the Jews. And when they were assembled, he said to them: Men, brethren, I, having done nothing against the people, or the custom of our fathers, was delivered prisoner from Jerusalem into the hands of the Romans; Acts 28:17

All from the Douay-Rheims version.

Paul, Peter, and James were demonstrably OBSERVANT Jews to their end. email the Vatican. You may be surprised to learn that there are Vatican scholars who agree with me on this one.
301 posted on 10/05/2005 7:52:51 PM PDT by safisoft (Give me Torah!)
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To: safisoft

I may be a little late to this discussion, but why should I care what a Jewish person thinks about how Christians view the Old Testament law?


304 posted on 10/05/2005 9:01:36 PM PDT by Conservative til I die
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To: safisoft
A soft answer turneth away wrath: but grievous words stir up anger. Proverbs 15:1

Let's continue with that in mind.

My personal Bible has an Old Testament as well, and I'm not ignorant of it. However, the Old Testament is lacking in what it can offer. If it were not, I am left at a loss as to why God would serve up His Son for torture and death. I believe that the Older Scripture was not completely replaced, but rather completed by Jesus. However, parts of the Jewish law were superseded. Animal sacrifice to scapegoat sins, and circumcision are two that come to mind. This is why I believe the New Testament is the essential element of the Christian Bible.

My experience has been that legalisticly minded individuals too often use the Old Testament as a sword (An eye for an eye) and the New Testament as a shield (Turn the other cheek), as it suits them. I know a few, but very few, scripture quoting Christians who do so to share God's love. Unfortunately, it is almost always done (my observation) as a means of justification, belittlement, or self aggrandizement. The message I take away from Christ's interactions with the Pharisees, is that quoting lines of scripture to set traps or to justify ill actions should be avoided. Individuals that give in to such temptations would surely be better off simply sticking with the New Testament, as it provides less smiting.

Practicing God's Message, the Gospel, and speaking of the meaning of complete passages has always appeared to be far more effective on Christians and non-Christians alike.

You appear to be a person of broad knowledge, but with all do respect, I question your depth of thought on the underlying issues. I also question your methodology's effectiveness in winning converts, either to Christianity or to your arguments.

337 posted on 10/06/2005 6:52:22 AM PDT by SampleMan
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