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Landowners must yield to ballpark
The Washington Times ^ | 10-6-05 | Tim Lemke

Posted on 10/06/2005 11:17:56 AM PDT by JZelle

The District will begin using eminent domain to acquire parcels of land at the site of the Washington Nationals' ballpark by the end of this month, after unsuccessful negotiations with nearly half of the landowners. City officials said they expect to file court documents to take over at least some of the 21-acre site in the coming weeks and have $97 million set aside to buy the properties and help landowners relocate. The city made offers to all 23 landowners on the site last month but received no response from 10. "We think there are some that we'll have good-faith negotiations with," said Steve Green, director of development in the office of the Deputy Mayor for Planning and Economic Development. "There are some we haven't heard from at all."

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: americaspasttime; awc; baseball; eminentdomain; fedexfield; majorleaguebaseball; mlb; scotus; supremecourt; washingtondc; washingtonnationals
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1 posted on 10/06/2005 11:18:05 AM PDT by JZelle
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To: JZelle

Justice Souter says, "Play Ball!"

2 posted on 10/06/2005 11:23:01 AM PDT by gridlock (Eliminate Perverse Incentives)
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To: JZelle

Bread and circuses trumped property rights in the waning days of the Roman Empire as well.


3 posted on 10/06/2005 11:23:30 AM PDT by SpaceBar
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To: JZelle

I wonder what percent of fair market value they offered the property owners??


4 posted on 10/06/2005 11:24:53 AM PDT by calrighty (`Nobody)
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To: JZelle
"We think there are some that we'll have good-faith negotiations with,"

They are getting an "offer they can't refuse".

5 posted on 10/06/2005 11:29:26 AM PDT by glorgau
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6 posted on 10/06/2005 11:45:31 AM PDT by freepatriot32 (Holding you head high & voting Libertarian is better then holding your nose and voting republican)
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7 posted on 10/06/2005 11:46:58 AM PDT by freepatriot32 (Holding you head high & voting Libertarian is better then holding your nose and voting republican)
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To: JZelle

"Landsnatching . . . land, land, Land, see Snatch. Ah, Hailie vs. United Sates. Hailie: 7, United States: nothing. You see, it can be done!"

8 posted on 10/06/2005 11:48:28 AM PDT by dfwgator (Flower Mound, TX)
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To: gridlock

Sorry. Doesn't apply to stadia. I really wish people would get their facts straight.


9 posted on 10/06/2005 11:49:47 AM PDT by AmishDude (Join the AmishDude fan club: "Great point." -- AliVertias; ":-) Very clever" -- MJY1288)
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To: SpaceBar

Come on. New stadiums bring all sorts of economic development. Just ask Pittsburgh!


10 posted on 10/06/2005 11:52:21 AM PDT by Wolfie
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To: calrighty

The article implies they got 13 out of 23 agreements to sell. The other 10 didn't respond. They could just be holding out. Sounds like they were offering reasonable deals.


11 posted on 10/06/2005 11:52:25 AM PDT by AmishDude (Join the AmishDude fan club: "Great point." -- AliVertias; ":-) Very clever" -- MJY1288)
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To: freepatriot32

BTTT!!!!!!


12 posted on 10/06/2005 11:57:34 AM PDT by E.G.C.
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To: AmishDude
They could just be holding out. Sounds like they were offering reasonable deals.

Tough. It's their property, and they can sell or not sell at any price and for any reason or no reason at all.

That's what it means to own something.

13 posted on 10/06/2005 12:02:19 PM PDT by freeeee ("Owning" property in the US just means you have one less landlord.)
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To: JZelle; Cyrano; shaggy eel
SICKENING!

"but it's for the public's good entertainment!"

14 posted on 10/06/2005 12:03:09 PM PDT by Terriergal (What is the meaning of life?? Man's chief end is to glorify God and to enjoy him for ever.)
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To: JZelle

This is a legitimate government purpose. Remember the Declaration of Independence: "... To preserve these spectator sports, governments are instituted among Men, derivng their just powers from the passion of the fans."


15 posted on 10/06/2005 12:04:53 PM PDT by jennyp (WHAT I'M READING NOW: my sterling prose)
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To: AmishDude
The article implies they got 13 out of 23 agreements to sell. The other 10 didn't respond. They could just be holding out. Sounds like they were offering reasonable deals.

It could be that the 13 who caved realized that they would get very little under an Eminent Domain proceeding and got out while they could with what they could.

The Methodist Church in my town is having a portion of their building condemned to make way for dumpster storage and a truck turnaround for a proposed private high rise hotel project. The town told them that unless they agree to sell, the town will go through all of their buildings and document every flaw and code violation, and deduct that amount from whatever settlement they would get under eminent domain, which could potentially leave them owing money to the town. So don't go telling me that these deals are all voluntary and everyone walks away happy.

16 posted on 10/06/2005 12:07:44 PM PDT by gridlock (Eliminate Perverse Incentives)
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To: JZelle

They did this here in Cleveland a number of years ago too for Jacob's Field.

Between public funding and eminent domain, the whole stadium thins is way out fo hand.


17 posted on 10/06/2005 12:09:32 PM PDT by Pessimist
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Every single last defining characteristic of the relationship between a landlord and a tenant is present between property "owners" in the US and the government.

Tenants pay rent or they are evicted.
Property "owners" pay property tax or they are evicted.

Tenants can only use the premises according to conditions set in their lease.
Property "owners" can only use their land according to conditions set by building/zoning codes.

Landlords can decline to continue a lease, and instead rent to someone willing to pay a higher rent.
Governments can exercise "eminent domain" (thin euphamism for 'nationalization') and give the property to someone willing to pay more taxes.

18 posted on 10/06/2005 12:09:51 PM PDT by freeeee ("Owning" property in the US just means you have one less landlord.)
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To: jennyp

Yeah! I think its right there next to the part where they say we cn't be forced to quarter visiting teams in our homes! :)


19 posted on 10/06/2005 12:11:27 PM PDT by Pessimist
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"...$97 million set aside to buy the properties and help landowners relocate. The city made offers to all 23 landowners on the site last month but received no response from 10."

$97 million divided by 23? What's that? About $4.2 mil per landowner? Heck, just give me my $4.2 million and I'll relocate myself! Not that it actually will work out that way, but I would be real curious to see the properties and see what the offers amounted to.

20 posted on 10/06/2005 12:12:53 PM PDT by Hatteras
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