Letter from high-ranking retired members of the U.S. Armed forces to Senator John McCain

Knight Ridder Washington Bureau ^ | Posted on Wed, Oct. 05, 2005 | various generals

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Hamdan v. Rumsfeld amicus
Here is the amicus brief of General David M. Brahms (ret.), Admiral Lee F. Gunn (ret.), Admiral John D. Hutson (ret.), and General Richard O'Meara (ret.) in support of cert. before judgment in the Hamdan case.


I didn't read the brief
http://www.goldsteinhowe.com/blog/archive/2004_11_21_SCOTUSblog.cfm#110124104797731954

[GoBucks2002]

Is the nutjob Air Force guy who appeared in Kerry's commercials on this list?

[Ceebass]

What do you think of this list?

It's missing the names of many 4 stars who usually sign such things. Even Weasely Clark didn't sign.

[bnelson44]

How many ex-generals do we have?

A lot

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INTERVIEW: GEN. JOSEPH P. HOAR
`The Neo-Cons Have Had Their Day;
Now It's Time for a Clean Sweep'

http://www.larouchepub.com/other/interviews/2004/3120gen_joe_hoar.html

[bnelson44]

Yes, it looks like some of the liberal generals signed this thing.

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Lieutenant General Ron Adams- Weasly Clarke..Kosovo


As I indicated, we have been restructuring. In the latest set of restructurings, we completed efficiency reductions, taking it down to under 30,000. We've done a restructuring of the headquarters. Lieutenant General Ron Adams is now the overall SFOR commander there. And then we're going to reduce by about 30 percent by the spring of 2000 to get the force down to around 20,000 troops. And this is the NATO force. The U.S. contribution will be down at the 3900 troop level.

So that leaves us today then in the Balkans. We have our 30,000-man, or just under 30,000-man commitment in the Stabilization Force. Of course, we have a commitment of NATO forces in Kosovo with rear area commitments in Albania and Macedonia, and we are still facing Serb forces arrayed in three armies in Yugoslavia and in Montenegro.

[FairOpinion]

These are a bunch of arm-chair generals.

Note that Gen. Horner and Gen. Schwarzkopf didn't sign it.

General Horner was also the commander of all allied air forces during Operation Desert Storm.

General Schwarzkopf is best known for his services as Commander in Chief, United States Central Command, and Commander of Operations of Desert Shield and Desert Storm.

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Twelve Retired Military Leaders Oppose Alberto Gonzales' Appointment





Brigadier General David M. Brahms (Ret. USMC) General Joseph Hoar (Ret. USMC)
Brigadier General James Cullen (Ret. USA) Rear Admiral John D. Hutson (Ret. USN)
Brigadier General Evelyn P. Foote (Ret. USA) Lieutenant General Claudia Kennedy (Ret. USA)
Lieutenant General Robert Gard (Ret. USA) General Merrill McPeak (Ret. USAF)
Vice Admiral Lee F. Gunn (Ret. USN) Major General Melvyn Montano (Ret. USAF Nat. Guard)
Rear Admiral Don Guter (Ret. USN) General John Shalikashvili (Ret. USA)

http://www.yuricareport.com/PrisonerTortureDirectory/TwelveRetMilitaryOpposeGonzales.html

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The more I'm researching the madder I'm getting. The ones I am finding are leftists. One from a LaRouche site, one from Indymedia, one for Yucca Report.

[HelloooClareece]

"I can’t begin without once more saying that this was the wrong war at the wrong time fought with incredible incompetence on the part of the civilian leadership."

Hoar

Googling like mad and all I can say is These are all nut jobs and it's sickening that McCain took them seriously.

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Check this out. The Generals who signed McCain's letter to push through his amendmant are LEFTIES!

I did some research but it's getting late. Read through the thread.

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Brigadier General Evelyn P. Foote
United States Army (Retired)

Dear Members and Supporters of Veterans for Common Sense:

I am writing you today to ask you to join me in opposing the nomination of Alberto Gonzales as Attorney General of the United States, by signing a letter which will be delivered by Veterans for Common Sense to the United States Senate in the coming weeks.

http://www.veteransforcommonsense.org/?page=campaign&campaignID=1

[FairOpinion]

McCain's amendment doesn't mention any Field Manual, but mentions the UN Treaty. I started to read it.

I was absolutely outraged at McCain and the rest of the Senators before, now that I read the UN Treaty, my outrage just went up exponentially.

This is worse than the worst imaginable in tieing our hands. It is even illegal to hand these terrorist prisoners to other countries who may torture them and we need to immediately let their countries know that we have them and so on, and so on. If the terrorists had written what they desire, it couldn't have been written better.


http://untreaty.un.org/ENGLISH/bible/englishinternetbible/partI/chapterIV/treaty14.asp

Convention against Torture and Other Cruel, Inhuman or Degrading Treatment or Punishment

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148 Military Brass and Veteran Luminaries Endorse John Kerry for Commander-in-Chief

Lt. General Claudia Kennedy (ret.)
USA
Virginia

General John Shalikashvili (ret.)
Fmr. Chairman, Joint Chiefs of Staff
USA
Washington


Major General Melvyn Montano (ret.)
Army National Guard
New Mexico

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http://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache:wPdz75K0S1oJ:www.johnkerry.com/communities/veterans/steeringcommittee.html++%22Major+General+Melvyn+Montano%22&hl=en&client=firefox-a


forgot to add link for post above

[dk/coro]

I have long since been disabused of any aura regarding General or Flag Officers. Not only do they (most of them, anyway) zip up their flys just as I do -- but, in many instances they fail miserably in their chosen fields. Elmo Zumwalt comes clearly to mind.

So, I toss this shopping list of McCains in the garbage can.

Further, John Sidney McCain is NOT to be trusted in ANY real leadership role. I know the guy -- never flew with him; but knew his father well; and Admiral Jack McCain would be turning in his grave were he to observe his cravenly ambitious -- and intellectually impaired -- offspring in his meglomaniacal congressional tinkerings.

Needless to say, I would not entrust McCain to safely walk my dog around the block. (He would probably sell the critter to a gardener in the next block for a few Mexican votes...and tell me on return that the dog broke the leash and just took off.)

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More for Kerry:

General Joseph Hoar (ret.)
USMC
Florida

Vice Admiral Lee F. Gunn (ret.)
USN
California

http://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache:wPdz75K0S1oJ:www.johnkerry.com/communities/veterans/steeringcommittee.html++%22Major+General+Melvyn+Montano%22&hl=en&client=firefox-a

[pepsionice]

The real issue here is that our guys have always been tortured...no matter what war we were in....we were tortured. Throughout the Vietnam war....we (either the CIA or the military)....used torture of various types to get information. Well...we stand now...with a bunch of sitting quarterbacks who can control the game and they do believe that torture of any form is wrong. On the moral side, we have to agree. But on the reality side....not one single senator will rise when an American is taken and tortured. And that presents the major dilemma.

McCain in effect...is simply saying that you will have your methods written down...in field manuals...which they ought to be. And that you will obey the field manual, which they ought to.

The band-aid to this mess...is simply to let the members of the native country...whether it be Afghanistan or Iraq...take the prisoner and torture them as necessary by local methods. The senate can't do much about that...and we still get the same information.

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Canteen Ping!

Read through the thread. Some of these people who signed the letter backed Kerry for President!!!