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To: devane617; All

I have a few questions.

Why on this board, when something like this comes up, the focus of the attacks is on the union? (And by proxy the rank and file worker).

American CEO's make salaries out of line with the rest of the world. (2 to 3 times more than Japanese or German, forget Chinese). Why is it, that is rarely mentioned? However, the comparision of Chinese to American workers is seen as a good thing.

There is much gnashing of teeth over lazy workers making too much for doing too little. Why is it no one complains that the GM CEO got a 25% bonus last year when stock prices fell? And that's not an uncommon practice, rewarding incompent executives. Carly Fiorina, (HP), got a $22 million buyout after presiding over a 50% drop in HP's value.

I know unions are problematic, but what of the other problems? They don't count?

Many rail here about how the left is anti-American. Trying to export the job of an American who works 40 hours and comes home, goes to church, raises kids, coaches sports, pays taxes... that's as un-American as you can get.


28 posted on 10/10/2005 8:40:25 AM PDT by brownsfan (It's not a war on terror... it's a war with islam.)
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To: brownsfan

It is a myth that unions are causing the demise of big corps...global trading is responsible. The trade policy penalizes American companies and rewards foreign comptetitors. Business is out break the American worker-not just the Union worker.


50 posted on 10/10/2005 10:52:28 AM PDT by nyconse (a)
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To: brownsfan
American CEO's make salaries out of line with the rest of the world. (2 to 3 times more than Japanese or German, forget Chinese). Why is it, that is rarely mentioned?

Because executive salaries are a drop in the bucket compared to the cost of a union contract. Even if they are overpaid, it isn't their salaries that are killing GM.

51 posted on 10/10/2005 10:55:31 AM PDT by Mr. Jeeves (Speaking several languages is an asset; keeping your mouth shut in one is priceless.)
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To: brownsfan
American CEO's make salaries out of line with the rest of the world. (2 to 3 times more than Japanese or German, forget Chinese). Why is it, that is rarely mentioned?

GM

Number of CEOs --> 1

Number of employees --> 317,000

You do the math.

52 posted on 10/10/2005 11:06:42 AM PDT by cspackler (There are 10 kinds of people in this world, those who understand binary and those who don't.)
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To: brownsfan
Trying to export the job of an American who works 40 hours and comes home, goes to church, raises kids, coaches sports, pays taxes... that's as un-American as you can get.

I haven't worked 40 hours for the last 25 years. Most weeks are 60+. I also haven't punched a time clock over the last 25 years either. Work stops when the results are delivered, not when the clock strikes a particular hour. The reward for those wretched hours is a larger gross income and an enormously larger tax burden than people who punch a clock. Coaching sports is a perk that clock punchers enjoy as part of their leisure time. Work responsibilities are suspended when the clock strikes the end of the appointed work hours. The leisure time and ability to walk away from the job at an appointed time are a non-monetary compensation.

My vacation hours are at max and normal accrual is suspended i.e. the company is getting a free ride by not compensating me for earned vacation time by accrual or monetary payout. I have 3 national holidays that I've deferred this year. I hope I can take some of that time off before the end of the fiscal year. It goes in the dumper otherwise. Frankly, I don't have much sympathy for people who only work a 40 hour week and have lots of time for personal activities.

55 posted on 10/10/2005 11:18:42 AM PDT by Myrddin
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To: brownsfan
Trying to export the job of an American who works 40 hours and comes home, goes to church, raises kids, coaches sports, pays taxes... that's as un-American as you can get.

Agreed. Where does the UAW get off making such ridiculous demands that tens of thousands of American jobs are lost overseas? You are right that the UAW is as un-American as any group can get.

68 posted on 10/10/2005 1:51:46 PM PDT by TaxRelief (Until the age of 48, Miers was a hard-core Dem.)
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