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Jackson Says New Code is Racially Motivated
ComcastSportsnet ^ | Wednesday, October 19, 2005 | AP Wire

Posted on 10/20/2005 6:41:50 AM PDT by WmCraven_Wk

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To: dsc

Let me guess, a costume is anything you personally don't wear? Newflash pal, there is a practical purpose behind almost every article of clothing that I wear. If you want to talk about costuming, let's examine the necktie which serves no function whatsoever.


101 posted on 10/20/2005 3:45:10 PM PDT by Melas (What!? Read or learn something? Why would anyone do that, when they can just go on being stupid)
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To: Melas

"Let me guess, a costume is anything you personally don't wear?"

Guess again.

"Newflash pal, there is a practical purpose behind almost every article of clothing that I wear."

Never having seen what you wear, I will not comment on that specifically. I will, however, make the general comment that there is practical, utilitarian motorcycling apparel and equipment that does not add up to an "outlaw biker" costume.

"If you want to talk about costuming, let's examine the necktie which serves no function whatsoever."

Okay. That is a costume that says, "I do feel morally constrained by society's customs and laws. I will not stomp you, shoot you, or rape your daughter. I accept my responsibilities as a member of society, and most likely have a productive job. Further, I have enough respect for you to communicate all that by wearing this costume."


102 posted on 10/20/2005 3:53:42 PM PDT by dsc
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To: dsc
Out of curiosity, how long have you been in Japan? You certainly seem to have fallen head over heels in love with the Japanese love for uniformity. Do school children still drill holes in the heels of their shoes over there in a desperate attempt to at least sound different walking down the hall?

As for this whole costuming thing, no, I don't dress to inform anyone that I'm going to rape their daughter. I dress the way I dress because well, I like it. I like the tattoos (and God knows being Japanacised you'll have opinios about tattoos)I have and may get more. I like the steel hoops in my ears. I like my beard. More importantly, my wife likes the way I look and that leads to much snoo-snoo.

103 posted on 10/20/2005 4:00:03 PM PDT by Melas (What!? Read or learn something? Why would anyone do that, when they can just go on being stupid)
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To: Melas

"Out of curiosity, how long have you been in Japan? You certainly seem to have fallen head over heels in love with the Japanese love for uniformity."

You know what they say about assuming.

"Do school children still drill holes in the heels of their shoes over there in a desperate attempt to at least sound different walking down the hall?"

You're way out of date. The postwar generation's respect for social convention has been supplanted by an obsession with the outlandish.

"As for this whole costuming thing, no, I don't dress to inform anyone that I'm going to rape their daughter."

You dress in a way that inevitably does that, you do it voluntarily, and you do it knowing that it will communicate that message.

"I like...I like...I like..."

So, it's all about you, is it? No need to consider the effect it has on others? If your appearance strikes fear into the hearts of young mothers going about their daily business, that's just tough titty, eh? It's a free country, and you have a perfect right to go around scaring perfect strangers, that about it?


104 posted on 10/20/2005 4:29:14 PM PDT by dsc
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To: dsc
If your appearance strikes fear into the hearts of young mothers going about their daily business, that's just tough titty, eh? It's a free country, and you have a perfect right to go around scaring perfect strangers, that about it?

I hereby dub thee, "Captain Melodrama", patron hero of drama queens everywhere. I mean with all the heart striking fear and everything, sure I'm a monster of horrible proportions to hear you talk.

105 posted on 10/20/2005 8:42:14 PM PDT by Melas (What!? Read or learn something? Why would anyone do that, when they can just go on being stupid)
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To: Melas

"I hereby dub thee, "Captain Melodrama", patron hero of drama queens everywhere."

And I hereby dub you "Captain Me," idol of the self-involved and inconsiderate.

"I mean with all the heart striking fear and everything, sure I'm a monster of horrible proportions to hear you talk."

To some people, you are frightening. Attempts to brush that off with prattle about "drama queens" doesn't alter the reality.

You choose to dress in a way that frightens people, and it seems that it doesn't bother you a bit to do them that injury.


106 posted on 10/20/2005 10:41:32 PM PDT by dsc
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To: dsc
You choose to dress in a way that frightens people, and it seems that it doesn't bother you a bit to do them that injury.

Lol, you truly believe that and you can't see why you're a drama queen? Please, could your claims be any less spurious? Frighten people....give me a freakin' break.

107 posted on 10/20/2005 10:48:57 PM PDT by Melas (What!? Read or learn something? Why would anyone do that, when they can just go on being stupid)
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To: Melas

Gee, of all your possible responses, for some reason I didn't expect denial.

Not just a river in Egypt, you know.


108 posted on 10/20/2005 10:51:18 PM PDT by dsc
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To: Melas

BTW, no, my claims could not be any less spurious.


109 posted on 10/20/2005 10:52:30 PM PDT by dsc
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To: Melas
As a biker, I've more or less laughed throughout this entire thread. I really sympathise with these young black men, because I experience the same kind of prejudices daily.

Much like I would tell the thug-life wannabees, ill tell you.

What you experience from others for the way you look is because you dress in a method that may convey a message you are violent and will inflict damage if disrespected. Perhaps you are a big teddy bear but the biker image is not trying to convey a teddy bear image as you must know.

I have met many very good hearted bikers and good hearted nostalic-jersey wearing black and white folks but one thing is a constant; Many people fear the message instilled in the chosen apparel you and these NBA players have chosen to represent themselves with. Its just fact.

I dont think you are ignorant of the fact that Hell's Angels and other violent biker gangs have left a permanent mark of society as a whole. So why the suprise you are treated differently for the way you dress?

Many people are skidish around a group of 5 or 6 young black or white men wearing bling-blings, doorags and other gang inspired gear walking by you on a street. Its not even racism because a group of black bikers would frighten little old ladies and an all white group of thug-lifers would frighten little old ladies as well. Its human nature based on past experiences and how the rap community wants to be based on their videos, "music" and how they act in society. Its sad that they want to perpetuate this idea that being a thug or a playa or a gangsta, womanizer, druggy, etc etc etc is a good thing when its not.

The NBA has a right to take issue with the representation the NBA is giving itself to allow the "nonconformity" to continue.

Its their money, their profits and they want to increase them and the National Black League (as Pierce of the Celtics seems to think it is) isnt maximizing their profits.

Sorry for the rant but what you wear wouldnt be allowed here at my company and if they paid you 30 million for a 2 year contract, Im pretty sure conformity would again become a word in your vocabulary quite quickly.

110 posted on 10/21/2005 12:03:37 PM PDT by smith288 (Peace at all cost makes for tyranny free of charge...)
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To: smith288

I'm through arguing against the superficiality, some people just don't get it and never will. Clyde Barrows wore a suit and tie btw, as did John Dillinger


111 posted on 10/21/2005 1:17:13 PM PDT by Melas (What!? Read or learn something? Why would anyone do that, when they can just go on being stupid)
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To: Melas
I'm through arguing against the superficiality, some people just don't get it and never will. Clyde Barrows wore a suit and tie btw, as did John Dillinger

There was a reason they wore a suit and tie. Had everything to do with trying not to conveying a certain image. Which is precisely my point you are missing.

112 posted on 10/21/2005 1:45:31 PM PDT by smith288 (Peace at all cost makes for tyranny free of charge...)
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To: headsonpikes; blaquebyrd
Mr. Carter may have a word or two about integrating the NHL



And Grant Fuhr, and Kevin Weekes.....
113 posted on 10/21/2005 7:30:52 PM PDT by MikefromOhio (Pwner of Noobs)
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To: Getsmart64

Tell your friend he's a moron, even if I agree on his choice of teams.....


114 posted on 10/21/2005 7:33:00 PM PDT by MikefromOhio (Pwner of Noobs)
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To: headsonpikes


http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/players/1490/career

He is a fairly skilled player. Certianly not an enforcer by any stretch of the imagination.
115 posted on 10/21/2005 7:39:17 PM PDT by MikefromOhio (Pwner of Noobs)
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To: MikeinIraq

Iginla ... Calgary.

'Nuff said.


116 posted on 10/21/2005 8:43:00 PM PDT by headsonpikes (The Liberal Party of Canada are not b*stards - b*stards have mothers!)
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To: cherry
.the NBA is going down the tubes and that will just hasten it more.....

going down the tubes? It's already there.

Your average NBA player/coach/owner has to climb up a ladder just to get to sewer level.
117 posted on 10/21/2005 10:07:52 PM PDT by birbear (Admit it. you clicked on the "I have already previewed" button without actually previewing the post.)
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To: smith288

ditto!


118 posted on 10/21/2005 10:19:58 PM PDT by birbear (Admit it. you clicked on the "I have already previewed" button without actually previewing the post.)
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To: birbear
When you go back...to the NBA of the 1950s, the 1960s, the 1970s, the 1980s...you see professional players. And even through the early 90s...you still saw some resemblance to a real team and smart individuals. But since the mid-90s...its been a downward trend.

Allen Iverson is a gangsta player....nothing more. He could never hold his own against Julius Erving or Larry Bird. Go through the top 10 players in the league today. Few of them could compete at the level that Dave DeBusschere or Bill Russell did.

When the league went for flashy play, 18 year-old high school players, and refused demand off-the-court professionalism...they started a trend. When the league knew that Jordan was gambling in a major way...they should have put their foot down. When characters like Dennis Rodman was given absolute free rein to act like he did...it was wrong.

If the NBA wants to take back the league and fix the situation...then start with the clothing rule, and then ban any player from coming straight out of high school, and demand at least two years of college before he can be drafted. Anybody caught with reports of gambling or drugs...suspended until they are either cleared or admit guilt and face a two-year suspension.
119 posted on 10/21/2005 10:35:42 PM PDT by pepsionice
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